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Just for clarity - It was Hardwick Knight that carried the fragments - not Hadden.

Do you know what coordinates or which side Hardwick Knight was on? There is a Armenian group who say they've found it at 15,500 and also say its glacier covered. Have you seen their footage and "evidence"? They are asking others to confirm what they found.
 
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Hi there,

I promised to bring more on this subject about a year ago - today is the day.

My late cousin Hadden Lowrey was a prominent photographer who took quite some interest in Noah's ark and it's final resting place.

I attach an interview he did with historian and archaeologist Hardwick Knight who worked in with the Smithsonian Institute excavating a site at around 14000 feet at which very ancient hand hewn timbers were found at a location usually inaccessible above the snow line.

This is an old video that will only interest those seriously interested in this subject.

Recently claims were made that a vessels remains 20Km from the mountain were the ark. Good evidence is presented that this is not tenable for several reasons. Late in the video a Turkish academic confirms this.

Hadden Lowrey later on took a private flight with Neil Armstrong and photographed the remains visible in a Glacial wall.

If there is enough interest I will post a second video that refers to this detail.

In the present political climate it is unlikely permission will be given to view the site.

The Jewish historian Josephus mentioned the name of the tribe in the area who were the 'guardians of the ark' and that it was common in Jesus day to make pilgrimage there.


Q: what kind of lighting system did Noah install on the ark?

A: flood lights, of course.
 
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I love how we live in a world of modern technology, and yet the best "evidences" for the ark being in this mountain are a handfull of obscure and blurry images.

Did you see the nice clear shot of "Noah's Ark" here:
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Petrified, you know.
 
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Oh nice! Is that a caldera?

Don't know. That odd-shaped formation in front is supposed to be the Ark. I thought maybe an eroded anticline.
 
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(I've heard Ahora Gorge is big as Grand Canyon)

I found this at...

Is Noah's Ark REALLY at 15,532 ft high on NE Ahora Gorge ...

Here is the Ahora Gorge, North side of Mr. Ararat. See the horseshoe shape at the bottom of the right side of the glacier—2 fingers, left and right, Abich Glacier I and II. It’s in deep shade.

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Next image is an object extending out of the glacier in that horseshoe shape. Is it an extrusion of basaltic lava? If you use google earth’s ‘ruler’ tool its width is about 73 lineal feet. One Bible dictionary says an ancient standard cubit was 17.5 inches. 17.5 x 50 cubits (Biblical width of ark) = 875 inches or 72.9 feet. Coincidence? This was never visible in the latter half of the 20th century because the glacier at this point was much thicker and extended down farther. We know this from aerial photographs. Thank global warming for the exposure. Notice the glacier vaulting above the object and a measurement shows it extending back upward of 150 lf. It’s dated 7/30/2005 at an elevation of 13,645 ft.

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Next image is the same object in deep shade. Image date 8/19/2009. It’s hard to see because of cloud cover shading it, but you can see two lines about 18lf apart running down the top and center of the object with an ice fall coming out the front end of it implying that it’s an opening to an open space behind and inside it. If it’s the ark this is the window or tsohar in Hebrew.

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There are several more objects that I have numbered 1–7 in the following image. They can’t all be seen in any given image. They were each exposed at varying image dates presumably because different parts of the glacier have melted more in some years than others.

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Here is object #2 8/19/2009. There is actually an on the mountain photo from the ’70s corresponding to this that can be found in the book Explorers of Ararat by Barry Corbin. When measured with the ruler tool it is the requisite 73 lf.

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Here is object #3. Date 11/11/2010. It too is the requisite 73 lf with an indication of a top center window unit. Note how the glacier goes around it leaving a void in front of the object. It is below object #2 in the mountain’s fall line.

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Next is objects #4,5,6 below #2 and 3 in roughly the same fall line. Date 8/19/2009. Note again that objects 4 and 5 are the requisite 73 lf width. Object #4 is particularly interesting because it has in the top center indications of the window unit with individual frames with blocks of ice bulging out of them. #4 seems to extend upward to the very top of the image and #5 looks like it broke away from #4 and slid down to the right. Object #6 is not detailed in this image.

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At this juncture I would like to call attention to the fact that I have highlighted 5 objects so far that are the Biblical width of the ark and actually object #1 (that I haven’t shown) near the top is also the requisite width, but more a case of spectral lines as if showing the outline of something that was once there. What are the odds of 6 major objects in the same fall line being the same width, the Biblical width and it just be coincidence? Remember when related objects are calculated to be human caused or mere coincidental mountain features of lava/rock for the probability of being one or the other the math is not additive, but multiplicative, i.e. if 6 objects have say a 1 in 2 chance of being a coincidence (I’m being extremely conservative here) it is not 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 = 3, but 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/64 or one chance in 64 of being a coincidence. Add to this that the math is incredibly conservative and I haven’t even factored in the fact that 3 of the objects have indications of a Biblical window unit. But enough math. The next image is as good as it gets. It’s a close up of objects #6. Note carefully the wreckage or carnage of objects in this image. The yellow pin clearly has something beneath it that is unlikely to be ice and immediately above and to the left of the pin is something strange indeed. It is clearly and measurably cantilevered out over empty space at least 20 lf and probably more. It is about 10–12 lf wide. If it were mountain rock or ice it would break. The lines are straight and the fact that it cantilevers at this distance without breaking indicates a man made material like a hand crafted piece of lumber. There is a similar object immediately above it pointing to the left and cantilevered as well. There is another to its left and a few smaller pieces here and there. Elevation 15,162 ft. and the date is 7/29/2015.

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Lastly I’m attaching an image of #1. It is the least convincing, but the width is the requisite 73 lf and it is in the proper fall line. Above it at the top is a yellow pin pointing to the possible landing ledge. Eyewitness accounts from the early 20th century say the ark sat on a narrow ledge near the summit. This ledge measures about 85 lf wide, 10 or 12 ft wider than the ark dimension. It is believed that something caused it to break away and start sliding down the mountain. The early 20th century is known to have had very warm temperatures in eastern Turkey so that there could have been major melt back at that time. Simple expansion/contraction could have triggered the slide event.

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When it comes to subjects like this many quorans just make an imperious statement dismissing the matter as if imagining that that is all that is necessary, no need to offer up any evidence or argument. I don’t expect to win over any atheists or agnostics, but at least I’ve offered up some evidence. There is, in my opinion, definitely something up there that is man made on a nearly 17,000 ft. mountain and was initially very big, but is now in several pieces. So why doesn’t anyone go up there and check it out? First, the Ahora Gorge has been placed off limits by the Turkish government. There are many supposedly ‘rebellious’ Kurds living there and the Turks don’t want more trouble with that. Secondly it would take world class mountaineers to climb to these locations, something no one has ever done in either the 20th or 21st centuries. Objects 1–6 are only glacier accessible and it’s a glacier with many crevasses that can swallow up a climber in an instant. Object 7 is at the bottom of the glacier, but it would take serious rock climbing skills to access it. One can hire a guide and climb to the top by the south side or ridge, but the guide is there to prevent going on over and down the north side. Throughout the cold war it is noteworthy that the Ahora Gorge is just a few miles from Turkey’s border with the former Soviet Union and the Soviets tended to be threatening to Turkey about expeditions going over there making the accusation that spying was being done under the auspices of ark searching so that was part of the problem as well. Short of major global warming in the future what I’ve shown here is probably all that ever will be seen.

One thing about all this satellite imagery that fascinates me to contemplate is the fact that around the turn of this century, twenty years ago, many were almost obsessive about pushing the government to release military satellite imagery because they believed it would show something. Well, the US government was never all that cooperative, presumably because it would reveal camera/spy capabilities to its enemies. But now, here we are, with all the imagery that one could ever reasonably ask for but it’s from a satellite of peace and not war. If God had anything to do with it would you really expect otherwise?
 
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(I've heard Ahora Gorge is big as Grand Canyon)

I found this at...

Is Noah's Ark REALLY at 15,532 ft high on NE Ahora Gorge ...

Here is the Ahora Gorge, North side of Mr. Ararat. See the horseshoe shape at the bottom of the right side of the glacier—2 fingers, left and right, Abich Glacier I and II. It’s in deep shade.

main-qimg-ddce0d769a508fb2d526b261d94981d6

Next image is an object extending out of the glacier in that horseshoe shape. Is it an extrusion of basaltic lava? If you use google earth’s ‘ruler’ tool its width is about 73 lineal feet. One Bible dictionary says an ancient standard cubit was 17.5 inches. 17.5 x 50 cubits (Biblical width of ark) = 875 inches or 72.9 feet. Coincidence? This was never visible in the latter half of the 20th century because the glacier at this point was much thicker and extended down farther. We know this from aerial photographs. Thank global warming for the exposure. Notice the glacier vaulting above the object and a measurement shows it extending back upward of 150 lf. It’s dated 7/30/2005 at an elevation of 13,645 ft.

main-qimg-9e94efd065de433ccf94a56bc8ba7f63

Next image is the same object in deep shade. Image date 8/19/2009. It’s hard to see because of cloud cover shading it, but you can see two lines about 18lf apart running down the top and center of the object with an ice fall coming out the front end of it implying that it’s an opening to an open space behind and inside it. If it’s the ark this is the window or tsohar in Hebrew.

main-qimg-2e51f0703a959b90e62520e0bee8acae

There are several more objects that I have numbered 1–7 in the following image. They can’t all be seen in any given image. They were each exposed at varying image dates presumably because different parts of the glacier have melted more in some years than others.

main-qimg-4f6983eaea074a062c6879ee82106039

Here is object #2 8/19/2009. There is actually an on the mountain photo from the ’70s corresponding to this that can be found in the book Explorers of Ararat by Barry Corbin. When measured with the ruler tool it is the requisite 73 lf.

main-qimg-9d8343a2e253864588db55cfad8684eb

Here is object #3. Date 11/11/2010. It too is the requisite 73 lf with an indication of a top center window unit. Note how the glacier goes around it leaving a void in front of the object. It is below object #2 in the mountain’s fall line.

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Next is objects #4,5,6 below #2 and 3 in roughly the same fall line. Date 8/19/2009. Note again that objects 4 and 5 are the requisite 73 lf width. Object #4 is particularly interesting because it has in the top center indications of the window unit with individual frames with blocks of ice bulging out of them. #4 seems to extend upward to the very top of the image and #5 looks like it broke away from #4 and slid down to the right. Object #6 is not detailed in this image.

main-qimg-e05c1f65741f37add121ebc3a49fa0c4

At this juncture I would like to call attention to the fact that I have highlighted 5 objects so far that are the Biblical width of the ark and actually object #1 (that I haven’t shown) near the top is also the requisite width, but more a case of spectral lines as if showing the outline of something that was once there. What are the odds of 6 major objects in the same fall line being the same width, the Biblical width and it just be coincidence? Remember when related objects are calculated to be human caused or mere coincidental mountain features of lava/rock for the probability of being one or the other the math is not additive, but multiplicative, i.e. if 6 objects have say a 1 in 2 chance of being a coincidence (I’m being extremely conservative here) it is not 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 = 3, but 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/64 or one chance in 64 of being a coincidence. Add to this that the math is incredibly conservative and I haven’t even factored in the fact that 3 of the objects have indications of a Biblical window unit. But enough math. The next image is as good as it gets. It’s a close up of objects #6. Note carefully the wreckage or carnage of objects in this image. The yellow pin clearly has something beneath it that is unlikely to be ice and immediately above and to the left of the pin is something strange indeed. It is clearly and measurably cantilevered out over empty space at least 20 lf and probably more. It is about 10–12 lf wide. If it were mountain rock or ice it would break. The lines are straight and the fact that it cantilevers at this distance without breaking indicates a man made material like a hand crafted piece of lumber. There is a similar object immediately above it pointing to the left and cantilevered as well. There is another to its left and a few smaller pieces here and there. Elevation 15,162 ft. and the date is 7/29/2015.

main-qimg-e214270c27fc3e05d67b767925f5a1b2

Lastly I’m attaching an image of #1. It is the least convincing, but the width is the requisite 73 lf and it is in the proper fall line. Above it at the top is a yellow pin pointing to the possible landing ledge. Eyewitness accounts from the early 20th century say the ark sat on a narrow ledge near the summit. This ledge measures about 85 lf wide, 10 or 12 ft wider than the ark dimension. It is believed that something caused it to break away and start sliding down the mountain. The early 20th century is known to have had very warm temperatures in eastern Turkey so that there could have been major melt back at that time. Simple expansion/contraction could have triggered the slide event.

main-qimg-6f3b51251b27c7e77c5a7cc67d8a909a

When it comes to subjects like this many quorans just make an imperious statement dismissing the matter as if imagining that that is all that is necessary, no need to offer up any evidence or argument. I don’t expect to win over any atheists or agnostics, but at least I’ve offered up some evidence. There is, in my opinion, definitely something up there that is man made on a nearly 17,000 ft. mountain and was initially very big, but is now in several pieces. So why doesn’t anyone go up there and check it out? First, the Ahora Gorge has been placed off limits by the Turkish government. There are many supposedly ‘rebellious’ Kurds living there and the Turks don’t want more trouble with that. Secondly it would take world class mountaineers to climb to these locations, something no one has ever done in either the 20th or 21st centuries. Objects 1–6 are only glacier accessible and it’s a glacier with many crevasses that can swallow up a climber in an instant. Object 7 is at the bottom of the glacier, but it would take serious rock climbing skills to access it. One can hire a guide and climb to the top by the south side or ridge, but the guide is there to prevent going on over and down the north side. Throughout the cold war it is noteworthy that the Ahora Gorge is just a few miles from Turkey’s border with the former Soviet Union and the Soviets tended to be threatening to Turkey about expeditions going over there making the accusation that spying was being done under the auspices of ark searching so that was part of the problem as well. Short of major global warming in the future what I’ve shown here is probably all that ever will be seen.

One thing about all this satellite imagery that fascinates me to contemplate is the fact that around the turn of this century, twenty years ago, many were almost obsessive about pushing the government to release military satellite imagery because they believed it would show something. Well, the US government was never all that cooperative, presumably because it would reveal camera/spy capabilities to its enemies. But now, here we are, with all the imagery that one could ever reasonably ask for but it’s from a satellite of peace and not war. If God had anything to do with it would you really expect otherwise?

These pictures are of a different location than others posted in this discussion.

With all out modern technology, robots that can provide high definition images of mars, submarines that can drive into the bowels of the titanic etc., If okay we could produce more than a few blurred images of snow and ice, perhaps we could discern who is right and who is wrong.
 
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The Bible does not say the Ark landed on Mt. Ararat. It says that it was in the mountains of Ararat. The mountain we call Mt. Ararat was not given that name until much later in the Middle Ages.

In Europe, the mountain has been called by the name Ararat since the Middle Ages, as it began to be identified with "mountains of Ararat" described in the Bible as the resting-place of Noah's Ark, despite contention that Genesis 8:4 does not refer specifically to a Mount Ararat.
 
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You would have thought that all the wood from the Ark would have been reclaimed for building and fire wood. Hard to see Noah just leaving it there and not using it...

Where it remained was barely habitable and as climate changed it became less and less accessable.
 
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The Bible does not say the Ark landed on Mt. Ararat. It says that it was in the mountains of Ararat. The mountain we call Mt. Ararat was not given that name until much later in the Middle Ages.

In Europe, the mountain has been called by the name Ararat since the Middle Ages, as it began to be identified with "mountains of Ararat" described in the Bible as the resting-place of Noah's Ark, despite contention that Genesis 8:4 does not refer specifically to a Mount Ararat.

For sure - of course what they call Mt. Ararat now is in the same mountain chain.
 
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