Noah's Ark and the Cheetah

[Subduction Zone]

Why would that prove that a worldwide flood never happened?

There is no sign of the over 5 miles of water that was needed for a flood. It illustrates that the claims of flood believers are wrong.

 

[justlookinla]

There is no sign of the over 5 miles of water that was needed for a flood. It illustrates that the claims of flood believers are wrong.

All the photo proves is that erosion works.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All the photo proves is that erosion works.

Nope, it proves much more than that. You have no training in any of the Earth sciences. Go ahead, try and explain how it could form.

 

[justlookinla]

Nope, it proves much more than that. You have no training in any of the Earth sciences. Go ahead, try and explain how it could form.

Erosion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Erosion.

Not good enough. Try again. The only erosion that could have formed that is in the real world. Again, try to explain that with Flood geology. It can't be done.

 

[justlookinla]

Not good enough. Try again. The only erosion that could have formed that is in the real world. Again, try to explain that with Flood geology. It can't be done.

I was raised on a river. Played on the banks when I was a kid. I go there now and erosion has changed the face of the river to where it's almost unrecognizable to me.

Erosion is a pretty powerful force.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was raised on a river. Played on the banks when I was a kid. I go there now and erosion has changed the face of the river to where it's almost unrecognizable to me.

Erosion is a pretty powerful force.

Yes, it is. And that is why the lack of evidence of a worldwide flood pretty much tells us that it never happened. Thanks for playing.

 

[The Cadet]

I dunno.

The problem here is that when we examine how violent flood events carve things, they don't tend to curve very much. Certainly not the hairpin turns seen in the Colorado River. I'm not sure if you espouse the view that all sediment was laid down in the flood, but if you do, these hairpins form a serious problem for that hypothesis, as while erosion was clearly the culprit, a single flood event simply could not have done that.

God does lots of creation stuff, I'm sure He'd have no problem with cheetahs.

Right, but I'm looking for a scientific defense of Noah's Ark. Some people claim that this is scientifically possible, and science excludes supernatural causation (for reasons detailed here).

I was raised on a river. Played on the banks when I was a kid. I go there now and erosion has changed the face of the river to where it's almost unrecognizable to me.

Erosion is a pretty powerful force.

Of course it is, but how the water moves determines how things erode. Flood channels are typically fairly straight and shallow. They don't leave winding channels such as those seen in the grand canyon. Those are most typically left by a river flowing across an uplifting plateau - as the plateau uplifts, the river dams, backs up, and cuts through the softest surrounding strata, leaving a lazy, meandering path.

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course it is, but how the water moves determines how things erode. Flood channels are typically fairly straight and shallow. They don't leave winding channels such as those seen in the grand canyon. Those are most typically left by a river flowing across an uplifting plateau - as the plateau uplifts, the river dams, backs up, and cuts through the softest surrounding strata, leaving a lazy, meandering path.

Psalm 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psalm 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
Psalm 104:8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Psalm 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psalm 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
Psalm 104:8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

Nope, in this case that is just nonsense that has nothing to do with the problem at hand. Try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The problem here is that when we examine how violent flood events carve things, they don't tend to curve very much. Certainly not the hairpin turns seen in the Colorado River. I'm not sure if you espouse the view that all sediment was laid down in the flood, but if you do, these hairpins form a serious problem for that hypothesis, as while erosion was clearly the culprit, a single flood event simply could not have done that.



Right, but I'm looking for a scientific defense of Noah's Ark. Some people claim that this is scientifically possible, and science excludes supernatural causation (for reasons detailed here).



Of course it is, but how the water moves determines how things erode. Flood channels are typically fairly straight and shallow. They don't leave winding channels such as those seen in the grand canyon. Those are most typically left by a river flowing across an uplifting plateau - as the plateau uplifts, the river dams, backs up, and cuts through the softest surrounding strata, leaving a lazy, meandering path.

Exactly and when we get into the details it is even worse than that for the Flood advocates.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope, in this case that is just nonsense that has nothing to do with the problem at hand. Try again.

Proverbs 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Proverbs 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Nope, try again. You need a lot more than poetry to explain this.

 

[Grafted In]

Read it 3 more times, rider99. It's in there.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope, try again. You need a lot more than poetry to explain this.

Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

Psalm 65:9a Thou visitest the earth, and waterest it: thou greatly enrichest it with the river of God, which is full of water:

Psalm 78:16 He brought streams also out of the rock, and caused waters to run down like rivers.

Psalm 105:41 He opened the rock, and the waters gushed out; they ran in the dry places like a river.

Isaiah 41:18a I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys:

Isaiah 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

Habbakuk 3:9b Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

Psalm 65:9a Thou visitest the earth, and waterest it: thou greatly enrichest it with the river of God, which is full of water:

Psalm 78:16 He brought streams also out of the rock, and caused waters to run down like rivers.

Psalm 105:41 He opened the rock, and the waters gushed out; they ran in the dry places like a river.

Isaiah 41:18a I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys:

Isaiah 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

Habbakuk 3:9b Thou didst cleave the earth with rivers.

Scouring the Bible for poetry explains nothing. Another failure. Worse yet you are quote mining your own Bible, taking verses out of context in an attempt to mean something that they do not mean. Isn't that a form of blasphemy?

 

[AV1611VET]

Scouring the Bible for poetry explains nothing. Another failure. Worse yet you are quote mining your own Bible, taking verses out of context in an attempt to mean something that they do not mean. Isn't that a form of blasphemy?

You want me to quote the whole Bible just to show you God can etch rivers into the face of the earth at His will?

If God can created the Pison, Gihon, Hiddekel and Euphrates rivers in one day, He can certainly create meandering rivers at His choosing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You want me to quote the whole Bible just to show you God can etch rivers into the face of the earth at His will?

None of those verses apply to that river.

If God can created the Pison, Gihon, Hiddekel and Euphrates rivers in one day, He can certainly create meandering rivers at His choosing.

But we know that he didn't. That river has a history written in its rocks. And once again you face the dilemma of either your version of God is not honest, or the Genesis account is wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

That river has a history written in its rocks.

Then those rocks had better testify of Jesus.

Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

Job 37:11 Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud:
Job 37:12 And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then those rocks had better testify of Jesus.

Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

Job 37:11 Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud:
Job 37:12 And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth.

More scampering for naught. Try again AV and try to keep on topic.