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Not enough room for all the fresh/saltwater fishes on the Ark. Wrong salinity = lots of dead fish.
What? Don't be ridiculous. There were different pars of Da Flud with different saltiness. The fishes swimmed into those parts to hang out until Da Flud was over. Duh.
 
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What? Don't be ridiculous. There were different pars of Da Flud with different saltiness. The fishes swimmed into those parts to hang out until Da Flud was over. Duh.

Absolutely! Here's a link to an explanation I came up with. Five minutes on Bible.com and I was able to concoct a perfectly legit exegesis on that. I was surprised how easy it was.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7447593-3/#post54296501
 
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That's pretty awesome, except for the last part about the waters 'diffusing' into each other. The real answer for this is a density stratified water column, wherein the saltiest water was at the bottom and the fresh water was at the top. This is why the higher elevation lakes are all fresh.

Holy crap. Density stratification completely fixes the entire 'fish need different salinities' problem and doesn't require any supernaturality. It's genius. How have flood advocates not thought of this yet?
 
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That's pretty awesome, except for the last part about the waters 'diffusing' into each other. The real answer for this is a density stratified water column, wherein the saltiest water was at the bottom and the fresh water was at the top. This is why the higher elevation lakes are all fresh.

Holy crap. Density stratification completely fixes the entire 'fish need different salinities' problem and doesn't require any supernaturality. It's genius. How have flood advocates not thought of this yet?
So how did it work out when the evenly distributed layered water went down again? More over, what about fresh water organisms that would stay at the bottom of what is normally fresh water?
 
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That's pretty awesome, except for the last part about the waters 'diffusing' into each other. The real answer for this is a density stratified water column, wherein the saltiest water was at the bottom and the fresh water was at the top. This is why the higher elevation lakes are all fresh.

Holy crap. Density stratification completely fixes the entire 'fish need different salinities' problem and doesn't require any supernaturality. It's genius. How have flood advocates not thought of this yet?

what about all the salt water fish that require light to live? are we to believe all the salt water fish lived off volcanic vents?
 
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So how did it work out when the evenly distributed layered water went down again?
It worked just as Skaloop said, wherein the fresh water at the top of the water column filled in depressions on the continental land mass, with the excess draining into the oceanic basins. This is how rivers formed, no doubt.

More over, what about fresh water organisms that would stay at the bottom of what is normally fresh water?
Well, tall mountains no doubt spanned several salinity strata and protruded into the base of the fresh water stratum, providing bottom-dwelling organisms with a substrate upon which they could live.
 
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It worked just as Skaloop said, wherein the fresh water at the top of the water column filled in depressions on the continental land mass, with the excess draining into the oceanic basins. This is how rivers formed, no doubt.


Well, tall mountains no doubt spanned several salinity strata and protruded into the base of the fresh water stratum, providing bottom-dwelling organisms with a substrate upon which they could live.
1. That would salt all the land with the evaporated sea water, causing hostile growing conditions.

2. Not all around the world... Fish don't move as fast as you think.

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3. Why is there no geological record of the flood. The corrosion and mineral deposited would be obvious.

4. What about all the plants? They can't survive underwater.

5. What about deserts, the sand would be carried away, leaving unexplained sand deposits and huge craters.

6. What about all the ruined topsoil?

It's a silly story. ^I just thought of those off the top of my head.
 
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There are photosynthetic fish?
You should look at the post above. ^ Anyway, how would you do without light for 40 days? (no synthetic light) And besides that, many would die from pressure, or (because their air sacks are adjusted to) float into the fresh water zone...
 
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1. That would salt all the land with the evaporated sea water, causing hostile growing conditions.
As sea level dropped, the saline water would have run off, then the fresh water came into contact with the cratonic surface, where it too ran off (save the part that filled up the lakes). The only water left to evaporate on the continents was fresh.

2. Not all around the world... Fish don't move as fast as you think.
They wouldn't have to move very fast, just fast enough to keep up with a rising sea.

3. Why is there no geological record of the flood. The corrosion and mineral deposited would be obvious.
Corrosion of what, by what? What type of mineral deposits would you expect to see? Where? Why?

4. What about all the plants? They can't survive underwater.
They need not. The plants on earth were being consumed by herbivores. This means that the seeds of the plants were in the guts of the animals that died in the flood. When animals die, they often fill with gas, which makes them float. All that would be necessary for the seeds to survive is for the decomposition of the animal's carcass to take longer than the duration of the flood event. The plants grow from the ingested seeds where the animals were deposited after the flood.

5. What about deserts, the sand would be carried away, leaving unexplained sand deposits and huge craters.
Why would there be craters? Are there craters in deserts today? When the sand was 'carried away', it had to be deposited somewhere, right? Those would be the sand dunes of today.

PS~ I live in the desert, and desert's are far more than just sand dunes. If you would like to discuss the desert environment, I'd be happy to do that. The only thing you've addressed here is ergs.

6. What about all the ruined topsoil?
There wasn't any ruined topsoil. As sea level rose, the fresh water at the top of the water column came into contact with continental soils first, such that the soils were saturated with fresh water. Once the flood receded, the fresh water in the soil was evacuated via evaporation and capillary forces, providing a well-preserved, dry soil profile.

It's a silly story. ^I just thought of those off the top of my head.
Luckily none of these 'issues' that you've pointed out are actually a problem. YAY!
 
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Anyway, how would you do without light for 40 days?
Probably not too well, but then, I'm not a fish. Also, you make the assumption that light would not penetrate very far into the water column. If there was very low turbidity, photic attenuation could be quite low.


And besides that, many would die from pressure, or (because their air sacks are adjusted to) float into the fresh water zone.
I don't understand why this would be the case. Could you explain? Sorry, I'm not a ichthyologist, I am but a simple geologist. :)
 
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Not enough room for all the fresh/saltwater fishes on the Ark. Wrong salinity = lots of dead fish.

There were no fish on the Ark according to the text.
 
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Probably not too well, but then, I'm not a fish. Also, you make the assumption that light would not penetrate very far into the water column. If there was very low turbidity, photic attenuation could be quite low. ...

The text reads that most species died accept for those that were saved. Variation/changes/evolution HAS occurred from the time of the flood until today to account for our current number of species. The specimens that did not perish are defined as "Kinds" because they are common ancestors to all current animals.
 
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