Noah in New Jersey

[AV1611VET]

You should know better than that.

Well ... miracles can still happen, you know!

 

[RickG]

Really? Short answer: I guess they need to do some adjustments on their examination of the evidence. Long answer: you have "absolutely" no idea if there are any 4500 year old bones or not AND "what is revealed" can be "exclusive."

Well Inan3, you gave a short and long answer. Now I'm going to provide the correct answers.

Forensics can determine the approximate age of a person when they died, which is usually withing a few years of actual age. As for the date when the person lived bones can be dated through several different methods. These include radiocarbon dating, Argon/Argon dating, Uranium dating, Electron Spin Resonance, Diagenetic Changes, and Fluorine Profiles. And if we date the sites in which the bones are deposited, that opens the door even wider for more methods. And concerning your comment stating that I have absolutely no idea if there are any 4500 year old bones, yes ma'am, I do, I have an advanced degree in the earth sciences and some 30 years experience as a research chemist. I know how stuff works.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Really? Short answer: I guess they need to do some adjustments on their examination of the evidence.

You mean "fudge the data until they get the numbers you want," don't you?

Long answer: you have "absolutely" no idea if there are any 4500 year old bones or not AND "what is revealed" can be "exclusive."

You mean "keep looking until they find something that can be properly fudged," don't you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is this New Jersey issue settled now?

Are we done with the face palming and eye rolling?

If someone asked you how I justify it, can you answer him correctly?

Even if you don't accept my explanation yourself?

 

[RickG]

Is this New Jersey issue settled now?

Are we done with the face palming and eye rolling?

If someone asked you how I justify it, can you answer him correctly?

Even if you don't accept my explanation yourself?

There was no single land mass 4500 years ago. Fact.

 

[AV1611VET]

There was no single land mass 4500 years ago. Fact.

For the sake of arguing ... fine ... that just puts Noah even farther away and makes the Flood more global.

 

[mmksparbud]

There was no single land mass 4500 years ago. Fact.

Is this your personal fact, or do you have some source for it you can quote? I've tried to find out more about this and I can only find that this is one area where creationists and evolutionists seem to both agree on, except, of course for the time element. I can't find any scientific articles that depute it--can you provide please? Maybe I'm not looking in the right place.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Is this New Jersey issue settled now?

Are we done with the face palming and eye rolling?

If someone asked you how I justify it, can you answer him correctly?

Even if you don't accept my explanation yourself?

But why? Everything in your claim runs counter to the evidence that is provided by God's actual creation. The Earth was not a singular landmass 4500 years ago, the area that is now known as New Jersey would not have existed when Pangaea existed and humans did not exist when Pangaea existed.

So, again, why do you believe that your claim of Noah living in New Jersey has any historical validity?

 

[quatona]

Is this New Jersey issue settled now?

Are we done with the face palming and eye rolling?

If someone asked you how I justify it, can you answer him correctly?

Even if you don't accept my explanation yourself?

If you want to explain something, you better not make a thread pretending to ask questions.

And, no, I don´t understand your "explanation" - at least not if it´s supposed to come down to more than "reality can take a hike (it´s the result of God´s deception), and the bible doesn´t explicitly contradict my idea.".

 

[AV1611VET]

But why? Everything in your claim runs counter to the evidence that is provided by God's actual creation. The Earth was not a singular landmass 4500 years ago, the area that is now known as New Jersey would not have existed when Pangaea existed and humans did not exist when Pangaea existed.

So, again, why do you believe that your claim of Noah living in New Jersey has any historical validity?

If you want to explain something, you better not make a thread pretending to ask questions.

And, no, I don´t understand your "explanation" - at least not if it´s supposed to come down to more than "reality can take a hike (it´s the result of God´s deception), and the bible doesn´t explicitly contradict my idea.".

So the answer to my third question is NO?

If someone asked you how I justify it, you can't answer him correctly?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So the answer to my third question is NO?

If someone asked you how I justify it, you can't answer him correctly?

Two things spring to mind:

1. You haven't even actually GIVEN a justification for why you claim what you claim and
2. Why do you think that anyone who is confused by your claim won't just come up to you and ask why you believe what you believe, instead just coming to ask random other people on the internet?

 

[AV1611VET]

You haven't even actually GIVEN a justification for why you claim what you claim ...

Oh, well.

As the saying goes:

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Oh, well.

As the saying goes:

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

What water? You've lead us to no water whatsoever.

 

[AV1611VET]

What water? You've lead us to no water whatsoever.

Ever heard of Panthalassa?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Ever heard of Panthalassa?

The Ocean that surrounded Pangaea? What of it?

 

[AV1611VET]

The Ocean that surrounded Pangaea? What of it?

Just wondering.

 

[RickG]

For the sake of arguing ... fine ... that just puts Noah even farther away and makes the Flood more global.

No, all that does is make one pick and choose what information they wish to accept and reject everything else. In this case the rejection is very well known and observed process of the physical world. In the scientific community knowing and ignoring information that shows ones view to be incorrect is known as 'intellectual dishonesty'. It was people of faith and theologians who in the 17th, 18th & 19th centuries who actively searched for physical evidence of a global flood. It was from their investigation that the modern field of geology had its origin. What was found was evidence completely contrary to a global flood.

 

[RickG]

If someone asked you how I justify it, you can't answer him correctly?

Indeed it is a quagmire. On one hand you reject 'creation science', on the other hand, you utilize it to support your position.

 

[RickG]

Oh, well.

As the saying goes:

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

Not all water is palatable. I prefer fresh water.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Just wondering.

And still no reason to accept your claim and belief that Noah lived in New Jersey, or that he lived when Pangaea existed.