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Vikings built huge boats in the day. Why cant Noah, and Noah had God on his side.Illuminatus said:Actually, at this point, I'm less interested about the floorspace, and more interested as to how a 600 year old man built something the size of an Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
Dannager said:In other words, you are not aware of any biological mechanism preventing mutations from accumulating to the point of whatever you would like to call change between kinds?
"Huge" doesn't cover it. It's bigger than any wooden boat ever built because boats that size aren't stable, they leak too much, and it takes too much effort preventing and fixing the rotting timbers.Timmothy said:Vikings built huge boats in the day. Why cant Noah, and Noah had God on his side.
jad123 said:As I said - In the end faithful believers do not need proof of the flood and any proof offered of a flood would not offer evidence of God to the non-believers.
Garnett said:Firstly there is no proof of the flood. You are being shown reasons why the whole episode is impossible.
Secondly you say "faithful believers do not need proof". If this is the case then why do they try and write false science books about it.
I wholeheartedly agree that faithful believers don't require proof: there isn't any. What a "faithful believer" requires, it would appear, is indoctrination from a very young age, or to succumb at a vulnerable time in their lives?
Is there any Christian on the board who was not either raised christian or converted at a difficult point in their lives?
Garnett said:Firstly there is no proof of the flood. You are being shown reasons why the whole episode is impossible.
Secondly you say "faithful believers do not need proof". If this is the case then why do they try and write false science books about it.
I wholeheartedly agree that faithful believers don't require proof: there isn't any. What a "faithful believer" requires, it would appear, is indoctrination from a very young age, or to succumb at a vulnerable time in their lives?
Is there any Christian on the board who was not either raised christian or converted at a difficult point in their lives?
Fortunately things don't happen by freak chances. You should learn that in your chemistry and physics classes.jad123 said:I do not believe is chance and the mathmatical probability that everything that has occurred by freak chances is ridiculous.
And you got that from where? Your portable Odds-O-Matic 3000?jad123 said:The odds of surviving a jump from 30,000 ft. is better than the odds of there being no Creator.
Dont worry man their so called knowledge is way over are heads, they assume we never took any classes of any kind. Poor themjad123 said:Sure, me. While I was raised Catholic we were definately not practicing. Went to church 1 or 2 times a year at most. My early adult years were spent as an atheist. My questions about God and search led me to the belief of a Creator. I do not believe is chance and the mathmatical probability that everything that has occurred by freak chances is ridiculous. The odds of surviving a jump from 30,000 ft. is better than the odds of there being no Creator.
Yes there is.Garnett said:Wow. Just wow. Something quite quite special there.
TeddyKGB said:And you got that from where? Your portable Odds-O-Matic 3000?
Ahh, the old "Deistic Probability 121" in the Statistical Theology department. Remind me again how they determined the odds for god existing.jad123 said:B.S. Biology - Penn State Univ.
Never enough evidence for faith?I spoken to a ton of atheists and no matter how much scientific evidence is placed before them, it is never enough. It is about Faith.
jad123 said:In the end faithful believers do not need proof of the flood and any proof offered of a flood would not offer evidence of God to the non-believers.
The Ark is said to be 450ft. long, 75 ft. wide, and 45 ft. high. by many Hebrew scholars. This would have provided over 100,000sq. ft. of floor space.
There are over 1 million of species in the world but when you subtract out any life that could be capable of surviving in water (fish, tunicates, echinoderms, mollusks, coelenterates, sponges, protozoans, some mammals like seals and porpoises, some reptiles like sea turtles and alligators) you end up with somewhere between 35,000 - 50,000 animals required on the ark. Using the above measurements would have easily accomodated the animals.
jad123 said:No it was from:
B.S. Biology - Penn State Univ.
M.S. Marine and Atmospheric Science - Univ. of Miami
and 11 years of research working for the Perry Institute for Marine Science.
God Bless you my friend.
jad123 said:As I said - In the end faithful believers do not need proof of the flood and any proof offered of a flood would not offer evidence of God to the non-believers.
So you're not aware of any biological mechanism inherent in the replication process preventing mutations from accumulating to the point of greater and greater change?LittleNipper said:In other words, I am not aware of any experimentation, either through artificial (not natural breeding /selection), DNA tampering, or mutation producing radiation exposure, that has demonstrated evolutionary theory to be anything but an impractical impossible dream. Plants remain plants, flies remain flies, and sheep remain sheep. The very fact that there seems to be no way to speed up an evolutionary process brings into question the very logic of evolution. If man is essentually the very same he was 5000 years ago, if Aborigines are just as intelligent and apparently no closer to a gorilla then an African native or a Western accountant, then the realization is that projected back another 5000 years-----the very same would hold true. Projected back again the very same would again hold true. Since there is no way to either digress any species nor advance it with all the intelligent evolutionists and doctors working hand in hand, There is absolutely no proof that such was the case at any time in the past nudged along by extreemly slow natural instigation (if such a thing even exists). This is what Christians should observe and what some seem bent on conveniently ignoring. And yet Creationism is ridiculed. What would creationism prove? What would evolution prove? What do you want to prove, and should your imagination be promoted over that of mine in a public educational setting?
Which is great….as proof of the flood does not exist.jad123 said:In the end faithful believers do not need proof of the flood and any proof offered of a flood would not offer evidence of God to the non-believers.
Only if you pretend that every square inch of ark interior was devoted to animal space.The Ark is said to be 450ft. long, 75 ft. wide, and 45 ft. high. by many Hebrew scholars. This would have provided over 100,000sq. ft. of floor space.
There are over 1 million of species in the world but when you subtract out any life that could be capable of surviving in water (fish, tunicates, echinoderms, mollusks, coelenterates, sponges, protozoans, some mammals like seals and porpoises, some reptiles like sea turtles and alligators) you end up with somewhere between 35,000 - 50,000 animals required on the ark. Using the above measurements would have easily accomodated the animals.
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