No such thing as homosexual or heterosexual.

[Phinehas2]

No such thing as homosexual or heterosexual.

The concepts of heterosexual and homosexual are human concepts and not God's concepts.

The Biblial testimony is that God created male and female for the reason man to be united with woman. Genesis 2. God's purpose is for faithful union of man and woman ie Mark 10. Eph 5 and Matt 19. "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' 5 and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'

How does the concept of heterosexual and homosexual fit with God's creation? the answer is not very well. God's prupose for man and woman to be united. heterosexual and homosexual are peoples sexual orientations/desires, same-sex or opposite sex. So something of the 'heterosexual' concept is according to God's purposes, where a man is united with his wife, but some isnt and none of the homosexual concept is compatible.
Therefore when people look at people or God's purposes from a heterosexual or homosexual concept they are already obscured from the reality of God's purposes.

The Bible deals with the countenance of man/woman union and the error of same-sex union, how one applies the modern concepts of heterosexual and homosexual to that is not straightforward.
So to argue in terms of heterosexual, homosexual concepts is most often confusing what the Bible actually says. It doesnt help when the Bible translations describe 'homosexual offenders' and not 'heterosexual offenders'.

But crucially another comment often made is that the Bible doesnt say anything about homosexual. The Bible doesnt say anything about the concept of homosexual, and that is because heterosexual and homosexual are not a Godly concepts.

 

[HaloHope]

Hooray, seeing as I dont exsist I can do whatever I want with nobody noticing.

*runs around naked*

In fact if Phinehas's "truth" is anything to go by barely any of us exsist. Unless we define our sexuality as "Christian" so maybe about ooo 3 people?

 

[Tenebrae]

I dont know how much clearer I can make it


Men repulse me

girls dont


by the dictionary and even biblical definition, thats gay, bent as a dogs hind leg



It doesnt matter how many times we argue in circles

 

[Phinehas2]

Sorry but thats not the Biblical definition, God created male and female to be united, how would you fit homosexual to that? You cant.
The only places I can recall at the moment which would be sexual attraction are ' looking lustfully at another woman' , heterosexual, (Matthew 5) and men lusting after men instead of women, homosexual, (Romans 1) both sin, or men burning with desire who should marry, heterosexual (1 Cor 7)

So Tenebrae,

by the dictionary and even biblical definition

Where in the Bible is the definition of gay?

 

[HaloHope]

Sorry but thats not the Biblical definition, God created male and female to be united, how would you fit homosexual to that? You cant.
The only places I can recall at the moment which would be sexual attraction are ' looking lustfully at another woman' , heterosexual, (Matthew 5) and men lusting after men instead of women, homosexual, (Romans 1) both sin, or men burning with desire who should marry, heterosexual (1 Cor 7)

So Tenebrae,
Where in the Bible is the definition of gay?

Where in the Bible is the defenition of computer, or.. internet?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Halohope.
No mention of paedophile in the Bible either. What is the relevance of your point? Did God create computers or did humans? Did God create paedophiles or are paedophiles just humans who have sexual desires to children. Did God create me an adulterer or to live for His purposes?

 

[Tenebrae]

Sorry but thats not the Biblical definition, God created male and female to be united, how would you fit homosexual to that? You cant.
The only places I can recall at the moment which would be sexual attraction are ' looking lustfully at another woman' , heterosexual, (Matthew 5) and men lusting after men instead of women, homosexual, (Romans 1) both sin, or men burning with desire who should marry, heterosexual (1 Cor 7)

So Tenebrae,
Where in the Bible is the definition of gay?

men lying with men?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Tenebrae,
ah so why didnt you say this to all the posts which claimed the Bible says nothing about homosexuals or homosexuality?

Sounds like some just aren't intersted in debating, they just want to promote homosexuality.

 

[jamielindas]

Ah yes... another meaningless post about semantics and terminology.

Listen Phin, I can't speak for all homosexuals, bisexuals, or transgendered, but I will speak for me and I think my opinion is pretty average in the GLBT community.

Whatever you want to use as the label, it doesn't change what I am. There are a lot of words and labels we use today that didn't exist in the age(s) the bible was written. In fact, let us not forget that it was NOT written in english, so many of the words that ARE in your bible, are translations and interpretations of the original text.

We see this in phrases like slave and manservant as well. In english translations, they often use them interchangeably, but they are not the same word and not the same meaning.

The point is, my physical and emotional attractions are almost exclusively to men. As such, I form my closest romantic and physical relationships with men and plan to form a lasting commitment and family with another man. Period...
you can call me queer, bent, gay, homosexual, man, liberal, atheist, or glabamashugina... it doesn't matter. It is just a word to describe me(possibly inadequately, like many labels) in communication.

It is not the central defining feature/attribute either. I'm probably an empiricist above all else, but being gay is a part of who I am and it played a role in the development of my personality.

the word games are irrelevant and just another example of how you don't understand the issues you seem to talk a lot about.

 

[Texas Lynn]

My personal opinion is Phinheas2 does not really exist but instead is a sock puppet for people who make up the most outrageous things they can think of so they can get on FSTDT and say 'See that? That's me!"

 

[Apollo Celestio]

We can't wish it away because it was never said. I'm speaking as an asexual, someone who "super" doesn't exist..

 

[Criada]

Dear Tenebrae,
ah so why didnt you say this to all the posts which claimed the Bible says nothing about homosexuals or homosexuality?

Sounds like some just aren't intersted in debating, they just want to promote homosexuality.

Do you read any of the posts here???

Tenebrae has stated dozens of times that she thinks homosexual behaviour is wrong.
In what way, exactly, does that promote it????

 

[jamielindas]

Do you read any of the posts here???

Tenebrae has stated dozens of times that she thinks homosexual behaviour is wrong.
In what way, exactly, does that promote it????

she's promoting word usage! Oh Noes!

 

[Sitswithamouse]

I wasn't going to get back into these kind of arguments..sorry debates.
But you know, I am so sick and tired of being told I am less than human by those that are so comfortable with their views and how righteous they are for not being attracted to the same sex.
Good for those that are "Hetro"I'm very pleased for you , I won't condemn your lifestyle and your attraction to the male/ female genders of the opposite sex and your desire to marry and have babies etc etc.
I did all that, I have children, I am still married( though seperated) and if things work out,I hope to be reunited with him someday if he changes his ways..if not then it is Gods will, not mine.I have been Bi sexual since I can remember, I have never acted on it, but if I find the right "partner" I just might.
What has it got to do with anyone?

I don't judge Hetro's for their choices, I was made this way, I am this way, deal with it.
No one but God can judge me or anyone who is LGBT, who are you to read the mind of God and to quote from old texts of the Bible, who is anyone to say what "we" feel is wrong.
As Jamielindas has stated and I back him all the way, The bible has been translated over the years, changed and books were thrown away and destroyed. Men decided what was God's law and men(or the humans) still do.
I have prayed and prayed on this issue and God tells me I do no wrong, not the Devil.

For those who struggle and do not act on their impulses I feel for all and whatever decisions are made are personal choices, I won't judge, my heart goes out.

Get on with your Hetro lives and let others get on with theirs, God will judge not you.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, we all sin and every sin is the same to God.
Let him be the judge not mortal man.

 

[Tenebrae]

Do you read any of the posts here???

Tenebrae has stated dozens of times that she thinks homosexual behaviour is wrong.
In what way, exactly, does that promote it????

I'd be pretty much scorned by most of the GLBT community for promoting abstinence as a way of reconciling being christian and being gay

 

[Texas Lynn]

Do you read any of the posts here???

Tenebrae has stated dozens of times that she thinks homosexual behaviour is wrong.
In what way, exactly, does that promote it????

The charge of "promotion" of homosexuality is translated as being reality-based. IOW people who walk with both feet being placed on the ground over and over are equivalently promoting gravity.

I don't know Tennebrae but she seems a decent sort. I've met others of those "Side B" reconcilers who are nasty, nasty people. If she's one of those, well, she's wrong about that but she's ok otherwise. I wouldn't call her a "self-hating queer" though most who take that position are.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I'd be pretty much scorned by most of the GLBT community for promoting abstinence as a way of reconciling being christian and being gay

That'd be an interesting discussion. I can't see it myself but it takes all kinds. That'd be a hard sell but you're not mean about it. Even to those of us who believe no such reconciliation is needed.

 

[Tenebrae]

That'd be an interesting discussion. I can't see it myself but it takes all kinds. That'd be a hard sell but you're not mean about it. Even to those of us who believe no such reconciliation is needed.

Meanness solves nothing.


Jesus said to love my neighbour as I love myself, that verse didnt carry any exceptions

 

[jamielindas]

Meanness solves nothing.


Jesus said to love my neighbour as I love myself, that verse didnt carry any exceptions

here here! I agree! love they neighbor! Choose kindness and compassion, respect and responsibility, love and logic!

 

[Texas Lynn]

Meanness solves nothing.

On the antigay side that appears to be a minority opinion.