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No Such Thing As Homophobia!
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Trevorocity
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Just a few quick examples from this board and then this thread needs to get back on topic:
nadiine said:
MichaelArchangelos said:
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TegomeToki
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All sorts of taboos exist in the natural world. However, a lot of these taboos, such as non-consensual sex(rape), would be terrible for our society, because they hurt people.
despite what the Bible says, homosexuality/bisexuality does NOT hurt anyone unless said homosexual/bisexual rapes another human being.
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TegomeToki
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Well, if something occurs naturally in nature, and doesn't harm anyone, then why should there be objection to it?
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TeddyKGB
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"Homophobia" probably is a poor descriptor for whatever anxiety bibliolaters feel towards homosexuals. I still think it rates its own term, though, given the vehemence with which they speak against it, orders of magnitude out of proportion with whatever hypothetical harm it might do the world.
The "we hate it because it's sin" business simply does not hold water.
The "we hate it because it's sin" business simply does not hold water.
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TuxThePenguin
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By definition it does.
http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=unnatural
check the bit "contrary to nature"
then look up "contrary"
http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=contrary
then apologize for such a silly semantic argument.
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I don't think all objections to homosexuality are rooted in fear or hatred,
I do think the word homophobia is often used to describe people who aren't homophobic, and that the word has excellent propaganda purposes
I see propaganda everywhere. Propaganda helped defeat racism. Propaganda helps keep the United States unified by focusing attention on particular issues. Propaganda is very nearly necessary, in the modern world, to maintain order and control over a huge mass of people.
These are of course my opinions.
I don't agree completely with the first post because I believe homophobia actually exists, but I also believe it is often used to opinion-farm.
claiming divine inspiration, threatening people with hell if they don't believe you, and repeating a specific value system over and over again, are all far more pronounced propaganda techniques.
I don't know of Shield of Faith is homophobic or not. I consider his disapproval of homosexuality to be rooted in Dogmatism - the idea Absolute Truth has been communicated to you, and no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise (short of some tremendous shock to the nervous system)
I do think the word homophobia is often used to describe people who aren't homophobic, and that the word has excellent propaganda purposes
I see propaganda everywhere. Propaganda helped defeat racism. Propaganda helps keep the United States unified by focusing attention on particular issues. Propaganda is very nearly necessary, in the modern world, to maintain order and control over a huge mass of people.
These are of course my opinions.
I don't agree completely with the first post because I believe homophobia actually exists, but I also believe it is often used to opinion-farm.
claiming divine inspiration, threatening people with hell if they don't believe you, and repeating a specific value system over and over again, are all far more pronounced propaganda techniques.
I don't know of Shield of Faith is homophobic or not. I consider his disapproval of homosexuality to be rooted in Dogmatism - the idea Absolute Truth has been communicated to you, and no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise (short of some tremendous shock to the nervous system)
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TheFathersDaughter
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He's just using semantics.
There is such a thing as homophobia because there are people who are afraid of gay people.
However people like Phelps just hate homosexuals. Most likely to make themselves seem superior.
There is such a thing as homophobia because there are people who are afraid of gay people.
However people like Phelps just hate homosexuals. Most likely to make themselves seem superior.
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The Bellman
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Doesn't matter who brought it up; you're derailing the thread. Please stop.
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The Bellman
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Homophobia does not relate merely to fear of gays; it relates to hatred of them as well.
And yes, I know the root of the word; it's irrelevant to what the word has come to mean.
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hatred is sometimes rooted in fear. i believe this is because fear is an adaptation against a threat that forces a retreat, and anger is an adaptation against the vulnerability of fear. rather than retreat, you can advance, which is less painful emotionally for you and more painful emotionally for your target.
for the same reason, I think people often react to sorrow by getting angry instead of sad - it simply isn't as painful to be mad. in fact, some people so enjoy anger they become addicted to it.
for the same reason, I think people often react to sorrow by getting angry instead of sad - it simply isn't as painful to be mad. in fact, some people so enjoy anger they become addicted to it.
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BigBadWolf, I did so in the thread you'r quoting from. Or at least, I mentioned one such example: personal dogma.
I think personal dogma is the most common reason people object to homosexuality. it contradicts what they'v been conditioned, indeed imprinted, to believe.
I think personal dogma is the most common reason people object to homosexuality. it contradicts what they'v been conditioned, indeed imprinted, to believe.
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TheFathersDaughter
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Oh yeah I forgot: it's easier to corrupt the English language so you don't have to go through the trouble of looking up the correct definition.
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Dogma is at best a buffer placed in front of hate/fear.. what is dogma (the reaosn for teh conditioning) based on if not the same fear/hate?
and then how does one explain accepting "conditioning" on this topic? are peopel just things ot be programed?
So I am back to asking you if you can you cite specific examples where it is not?
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Dogma is not always rooted in hate/fear. Many Dogmatists have experienced "Religious Awakenings," wherein they, because of some crisis or because of fasting for three weeks, finally accepted the "Truth" with their whole hearts. Many Dogmatists are sincere, passionate, loving optimists.
Dogma isn't the reason for the conditioning, it is merely an aspect of the conditioning. You ask if people are just things to be programmed? Well, your biology and your environment and possibly also your soul (merely another consciousness-containing thing, possibly separate from the physical body) interact with each other, and this interaction determines how you will behave.
In that sense, people are programmed, people are being programmed by every moment of their lives. The best solution I can come up with is self-programming, paying attention to how impressions are received, how your behavior is influenced, and how your consciousness has come to be where it is now, and once you'r done self-analyzing, Deciding where you want your consciousness to go.
Yes, people are things to be programmed. But an alternative to intentionally influencing the opinions of others (programming them) is to teach others how to control how they are influenced, and to cut through blind conditioning and make a conscious decision to be a certain way, and to teach people to think beyond what their personal bias tells them is true (monitor yourself for an emotional reaction when you'r examining evidence, for instance, and think, "How would it look if I wasn't emotional about it?)
Dogma isn't the reason for the conditioning, it is merely an aspect of the conditioning. You ask if people are just things to be programmed? Well, your biology and your environment and possibly also your soul (merely another consciousness-containing thing, possibly separate from the physical body) interact with each other, and this interaction determines how you will behave.
In that sense, people are programmed, people are being programmed by every moment of their lives. The best solution I can come up with is self-programming, paying attention to how impressions are received, how your behavior is influenced, and how your consciousness has come to be where it is now, and once you'r done self-analyzing, Deciding where you want your consciousness to go.
Yes, people are things to be programmed. But an alternative to intentionally influencing the opinions of others (programming them) is to teach others how to control how they are influenced, and to cut through blind conditioning and make a conscious decision to be a certain way, and to teach people to think beyond what their personal bias tells them is true (monitor yourself for an emotional reaction when you'r examining evidence, for instance, and think, "How would it look if I wasn't emotional about it?)
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but if you absolutely need examples, try these:
1) i disapprove of a specific homosexual activity known as jailhouse rape.
2) hypothetical Guy Bob disapproves of homosexual activity on the grounds that procreation is the only logical usage for sex. Turns out Bob's an Evolutionist and believes in evolving beyond the lust response to experience a higher pleasure, and a higher love than human love.
3) Suzie is a little crazy. She isn't scared or angry about it, but she thinks every time a homosexual couple makes love it causes her puppy dog piercing joint pain, and that makes Suzie cry sometimes.
4) Many strange things have happened to Ralph that seemed to confirm God really is in Heaven, and Jesus is Lord, and everything in the Holy Bible is true. For instance, every unselfish prayer Ralph has ever made, since childhood, has come true. So naturally Ralph condemns homosexuality because of scriptural law.
1) i disapprove of a specific homosexual activity known as jailhouse rape.
2) hypothetical Guy Bob disapproves of homosexual activity on the grounds that procreation is the only logical usage for sex. Turns out Bob's an Evolutionist and believes in evolving beyond the lust response to experience a higher pleasure, and a higher love than human love.
3) Suzie is a little crazy. She isn't scared or angry about it, but she thinks every time a homosexual couple makes love it causes her puppy dog piercing joint pain, and that makes Suzie cry sometimes.
4) Many strange things have happened to Ralph that seemed to confirm God really is in Heaven, and Jesus is Lord, and everything in the Holy Bible is true. For instance, every unselfish prayer Ralph has ever made, since childhood, has come true. So naturally Ralph condemns homosexuality because of scriptural law.
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