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Actually it is very Biblical, notice that I didn't say that Adam's sin is over us, more accurately I'd say that we continually commit Adam's sin while under his headship.
The Scripture reference for where I develop this understanding of headship is Romans 5
Ezekiel 18 poses no problem when everyone commits the Sin of Adam every day, every minute
I see no problem with the verses you pose, all those who turn from their ways are saved
No. God foreordained all thing before the foundation. All things. Man has no free will remember. He cannot decide to change his mind and repent. Not under Calvinism. No choosing for the totally depraved man.
Most Calvinists have been arguing man is unable because he is unwilling. This stems from the T in TULIP. Hence no turning.
I don't see the problem
God ordained all things and decreed some things. Or the other way around I can't remember.Either God ordained and decreed all things, including mans sin - ALL things. Or he did not NOT ordain and decree ALL things. One or other. Pick one and stick with it. Which do you choose ( or been predestined with ) ?
Jonah had the same problem as you seem to be having, see the people of Ninevah repented and Jonah knew that God knew that this would happen and so didn't want to go.If God ordained all things including mans sin then what is the point of God sending a prophet telling man to repent if God had already ordained the outcome ?
The inability is in man's ability to respond, man wants to be his own God and so this causes him to be unable to respond.Including mans total inability to hear or understand the word because God ordained all men to have a stony hearts ?
That's not what the Bible says, here it is in a nutshell:Even if God had predetermined those who would repent it still begs the question why these lucky ones were commanded to repent cos the fact they would repent had been foreordained.
Eh, I don't really care man's will is free and determined. Any trying to reason away the freedom of his will based on it being determined is purely philosophical and has no place in theology.Either way you go results in absolute_determinism/theistic_fatalism which was the question raised in the OP.
False conclusionIncidentally - this also makes God the author of all mans sin.
God ordained all things and decreed some things. Or the other way around I can't remember.
God ordained all things and decreed some things. Or the other way around I can't remember.
X Appalling progmonk
Jonah had the same problem as you seem to be having, see the people of Ninevah repented and Jonah knew that God knew that this would happen and so didn't want to go.
X Hmmm - free will
The inability is in man's ability to respond, man wants to be his own God and so this causes him to be unable to respond.
X Not worth bothering with this.
That's not what the Bible says, here it is in a nutshell:
All are commanded to repent,
Only some do
X Exactly. Why are they commanded if they are totally unable - made that way by God.
Eh, I don't really care man's will is free and determined. Any trying to reason away the freedom of his will based on it being determined is purely philosophical and has no place in theology.
Well done. You have shot Calvinism in both feet. E.g
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
False conclusion
It was a question. Not a statement. Yes though I agree that God is not the author of sin. Kind of contradicts fatalism. doesn't it.
Man has a will, but since Adam's time, his will has always been to choose evil, sin.
A man walking down the sidewalk doesn't just stop and say to himself, I'll accept, believe, and repent of his own free will.
That just ain't gonna happen.
Man does have a will, but until he is regenerated (born-again) his will is bound in sin. Man is in bondage to sin, and it isn't until he knows God that he is set free.
But even then, he still has within him the ravages of sin. Always at war with the spiritual side.
May I suggest you read Arthur W. Pink's discussion: The Sovereignty of God, Chapter 7, God's Sovereignty and the Human Will."
It explains a lot.
God Bless
Till all are one.
eh, it's technical and I'm still learning, obviously Jack thinks that in order to clash swords with him one needs to remember everything, even though he doesn't himself understand Calvinism.X Appalling progmonk
Free will to disobey God, hmmm sounds like Calvinism to meX Hmmm - free will
I presented Scriptural truth and you don't want to respond to it, do you want to deal with Scripture, doesn't seem like it to me.X Not worth bothering with this.
And this is why Lordship salvation is necessary, why it is necessary to repent, the command to repent is the Holiness of God, the disobedience to the command is the sinfulness of man.X Exactly. Why are they commanded if they are totally unable - made that way by God.
You are the one saying that man's freedom of will is non-existent if it is determined.Well done. You have shot Calvinism in both feet. E.g
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Man is never forced against his will , that suffices for the answer regarding mans free will
No; "this also makes God the author of all mans sin." is a statement.It was a question. Not a statement.
Here, let me show you my unshackled free will; NO, I freely choose not to read that book by Pink. You can suggest, command, decree, ordain, determine, or whatever you decide, but I will not read that book.
Pretty simple, isn't it?
Actually it is very Biblical, notice that I didn't say that Adam's sin is over us, more accurately I'd say that we continually commit Adam's sin while under his headship.
The Scripture reference for where I develop this understanding of headship is Romans 5
Ezekiel 18 poses no problem when everyone commits the Sin of Adam every day, every minute
Yes, as Paul said:Since you continually commit Adam's sin, do you continually eat of this tree today?
Yes, I find myself unfulfilled and destitute before the living God every time I sin, every time I take of that fruit I find myself laid bare.Do you find yourself naked after eating of this fruit?
How dare my will be manipulated by God, rarararah! My will is my own! I am greater than God he has no power over me! All hail me, the mighty Arcoe who bends God to my will!
I was going to make a funny reply, but felt this would be more edifying to the body:
Yes, as Paul said:
I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
Yes, I find myself unfulfilled and destitute before the living God every time I sin, every time I take of that fruit I find myself laid bare.
Does that put gall in your craw? Same thing when men say I will not cast away my transgressions, I will not abstain from wickedness, or I will sin because I have this 'flesh' to which I submit. Do you not think God gets tired of hearing this from His own people, when they, of their own will, do not freely obey His word?
At ease soldier, you may go your way.
They have the law on their hearts and suppress this knowledge of God to subvert their own nature endlessly in Sin.So tell me, what unregenerate man is living by the law? Did you ever live by the law of the Old Testament? Are the unregenerate not alive, seeing they are apart from the OT law?
I do walk by the Spirit, he guides me in paths of righteousness for his namesake. This also makes me become more aware of my sinfulness, it would be defrauding God for me to not realise this and so I lay everything at the feet of the Cross, my justification, my atonement through the self-administered self-sacrifice of the High Priest of GodThen why not walk in the Spirit? Then you will have no problem with this 'fruit'. Mercy, if eating of this 'fruit' makes you this way, choose, of yourself, to quit eating it.
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