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No Such Thing as Atheism.

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You've studied every god ever worshiped?

How long did that take? Please describe your investigation process. How many hundreds of gods and goddesses did you investigate?


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Evidence? You didn't wanted to ask me that. Christians see with the eyes of the Holy Ghost, because God is within us, so everything I see, talk, act, do, touch or smell is for me evidence of Jesus Christ, I look myself in the mirror and I am happy to know that Jesus Christ clothed with my sinfulness just out of love. Everytime I look at the sky I see God's wisdom for creating such a beautifulness. You wanted to ask: which evidence that pleases me and fit into my vision have for God? For a believer, there is no need for evidence. For an non believer, there is no such thing as evidence.

I seriously doubt about your intelectual level when asking something like the existence of that supposed dragon and comparing it with Christ. First of all the analogy of the dragon is created only with the purpose to denigrate God comparing it with the vague divagations of the human mind, you dragon doesn't exist because there is no proof for its existence, all the proofs point to a creation of your mind.
I think Loudmouth asks a worthwhile question: "How are your God claims any better supported than the Dragon claims?"
 
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You've studied every god ever worshiped?

How long did that take? Please describe your investigation process. How many hundreds of gods and goddesses did you investigate?


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Not every of them, but religion follows patterns among people and it's sufficient to study some of them to know them all.
 
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Not every of them, but religion follows patterns among people and it's sufficient to study some of them to know them all.

I assume, then, that you don't mind it when atheists do the same thing.


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I assume, then, that you don't mind it when atheists do the same thing.


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I wouldn't mind it if atheists would at least study about Christ if they can't pray and draw closer to Him through purification and through following His commands, but they don't.
 
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I wouldn't mind it if atheists would at least study about Christ if they can't pray and draw closer to Him through purification and through following His commands, but they don't.
But they do, or at least many of them do. But hey, don't let that stop you from claiming otherwise.
 
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But they do, or at least many of them do. But hey, don't let that stop you from claiming otherwise.
So this returns to the starting point posted by me, for atheists to explain to me why don't they believe in Jesus Christ as a God.
 
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I wouldn't mind it if atheists would at least study about Christ if they can't pray and draw closer to Him through purification and through following His commands, but they don't.

When you studied all those other gods, did you pray to those gods, try to draw closer to them through purification, and follow their commands, if any?


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Think everything we want to understand requires logic and reason, otherwise we are just pee-ing into the wind with our imagination.

Belief is how we run our life. Having faith that our bus will be at the stop,
tht we will still have a job come Monday, that the sun will rise tomorrow.
These are 'True beliefs' but do not always come true as we know.

Then there is something called 'false beliefs'
and I put some atheists and other adherents in this category.
False beliefs tend to be mixed in with true beliefs to make them more
plausible. EG. My bus will be at the stop, the sun will rise tomorrow AND
JC might come with rapture and take me under his wing for eternity.
Or I will have a job tomorrow and there is no God!

Then this is all auto reinforced, programmed and rebanked overnight which perpetuates and strengthens the belief as does every religious prayer, hymn, affirmation conversation etc. A maintenace of the trance. (the trances we live). It becomes word.

If we went for a walk in any atheists' mind, to the impression memory where
beliefs about this and that are stored, we would find that there would be a file marked 'beliefs about God. I mean, Who has not thought about a creator?
To say so would be a lie. If you have an open file with contents you have a belief set in god wether in the positive negative sense or what ever.
To say you have no belief set would be dishonest.

The file is set up in the impression memory, and not the factual files
(since no one has met God in conscious mind language I know of).
This means it is part of a believers/non believers attitude or opinion...
which is their imagination.The imagination and will trick us into thinking
we do not have a belief when we probably have many billions of trillions of bits of information stored on that very subject

Skeptics will argue some BS about we cannot prove a no belief but do they really hold that position? Why shouldnIbelieve them when I share the same biology and mindset. So that I am not so easily thrown off the trail scent of all Atheist causation.

Our mind being the false, can present whatever view it likes as word to the observer. We are not party to the internal muse that underlies this position.
We each have a dual honesty and within limits it is permitted as our falseness
which the mind must balance with sincerity in being human with all the complexities of humanity.

Few atheists would be stupid enpugh to consider that there was no causasion in the universe or cosmology The causation they internally hold, becomes the creator or God. Thus a poor discrimination (lack of knowledge) of nature would provide a poor estimation of the creator (if an atheist had one.)
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Summary about theists real reasons, any of these could be apply
1. Anti Judist, Christian or Muslim semitism taken as pa protest.
2. Have not comprehended that one cannot NOT have a view about God
if they have been discussing it.
Here atheists are logically and rationally assigned one regardless as a
collective God as default for the people who think they do not believe in
Gods.
The God of the atheist mind is the God of Absolute Materialism.
3. Some side with science as a high ground debating starting point,
while not needing to know anything much of science. Just that
the 'G' word would seem to be outside the mandate of science so can easily
be defended in layman's debates.
4 Insincerity. where one beief is held at public or at work and another
practised behind closed doors. EG a paid clergy who is really an atheist
or a paid astrophysicist who is Muslim = paid yay or nay sayers.
5. In trance where someone can hold two opposing veiws at the same time.
6. From Phobia or Previous life negative experience.
&. ??

Faith bases beliefs and reasonable expectations are 2 vastly different things.

Saying the sun will come up tomorrow is not a "faith based belief", but a reasonable expectation based on our understanding of physics.

Saying I will have a job tomorrow is not a "faith based belief", but would rather be a reasonable expectation based on the knowledge that my boss is pleased with my work and that business is going well.

Reasonable expectation based on evidence is not the same having faith based beliefs.

I stop reading at paragraphe 2, because already it stopped making sense.
 
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When you studied all those other gods, did you pray to those gods, try to draw closer to them through purification, and follow their commands, if any?


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No because only Christ requires that. Thing you would have known if you would have studied, and you would have known too that no ohter "god" can be compared to Christ.
 
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Think everything we want to understand requires logic and reason, otherwise we are just pee-ing into the wind with our imagination.

Belief is how we run our life. Having faith that our bus will be at the stop,
tht we will still have a job come Monday, that the sun will rise tomorrow.
These are 'True beliefs' but do not always come true as we know.

Then there is something called 'false beliefs'
and I put some atheists and other adherents in this category.
False beliefs tend to be mixed in with true beliefs to make them more
plausible. EG. My bus will be at the stop, the sun will rise tomorrow AND
JC might come with rapture and take me under his wing for eternity.
Or I will have a job tomorrow and there is no God!
Stopped here.

Buses, jobs sun, etc. Exist.
JC existed, the rapture is myth, god is more unproven than proven and the bible is very disproven.

Atheists are people waiting for others to prove their branch or their religion is the one that has it right. Without telling us we have to believe to believe.

We believe, buses, cars, coaches, jobs, careers, sun, moon all exists. So how hard can it be to convince us?
 
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No because only Christ requires that. Thing you would have known if you would have studied, and you would have known too that no ohter "god" can be compared to Christ.
Why?
Seeing as christ never wrote a book, there's more from Paul and Peter in Christianity, Jesus said he we here to save the Jews and keep the Jewish laws. Why do you assume there's no other god that can be compared to him?

You admit there has been other gods, and that's true. gods have been part of Human Culture for longer than we know. Jesus is just one of the more recent ones.
 
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Not every of them, but religion follows patterns among people and it's sufficient to study some of them to know them all.
Agreed. That's the flaw in why any can claim to be above the rest.

They're all man made. The men making them claimed they could communicate with god, much like many followers of religions claim.

They all demanded obedience to the rulers of State and Church. Demanded no one disagrees on pain of death. Give freely, from food, to lives. Most promised a better crop, life, win battles, etc. If the congregation gives all it's asked for. Most promise an afterlife. Only the gods of nature, like creation, floods, plagues, walls collapsing, towns being wiped out by natural events, are visible. Which is why the clergy demand gifts or obedience to ensure the weather is good for crops, babies are born, etc. And not suffer the wrath of a god. The stupidity of this is seen clearly on Easter Island.

So what makes Christianity unique? Please only things we can see, because every religion requires belief in what can't be seen.
 
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