No Sin in Christ

[Studyman]

How did you come to that conclusion?

“I still have authority over them and dole out discipline for bad behavior.”

Just because I will never abandon them for bad behavior doesn’t give them license for bad behavior. As Paul says


What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
— Romans 6:1-2

In all respect, I'm not sure you read my reply. I'm sure you don't understand what it said. Please read it again and reply about what I actually said.

Yes, they are your children. Not because they say so, but because you say so. Jesus, on the other hand, has "many" who calls Him their Father, that HE Himself says HE doesn't even know.

So to your analogy, your kids can see you. They can touch you. But for the Children of Jesus, they need to have Hope and Faith. Because Jesus is not seen or touched.

 

[Hammster]

In all respect, I'm not sure you read my reply. I'm sure you don't understand what it said. Please read it again and reply about what I actually said.

I don’t see how that changes anything. God is our Father, and He’s a greater Father than I. His greatness is not dependent on my faith.

 

[Studyman]

I don’t see how that changes anything. God is our Father, and He’s a greater Father than I. His greatness is not dependent on my faith.

God is not the Father of everyone who calls HIM Lord, Lord.

At least that is what the God of the Bible teaches.

You are right about the last part. A man's belief or unbelief in HIS Word doesn't change who HE is.

 

[Hammster]

God is not the Father of everyone who calls HIM Lord, Lord.

At least that is what the God of the Bible teaches.

You are right about the last part. A man's belief or unbelief in HIS Word doesn't change who HE is.

You are trying to counter an argument I’m not making.

 

[Studyman]

You are trying to counter an argument I’m not making.

You said;

"I’m sorry for you folks that have to live in fear of losing salvation. There can’t be much joy not knowing if you are doing enough."

To which I concluded;

"God is not the Father of everyone who calls HIM Lord, Lord."

A Biblical Fact warned of over and over and over.

It is the perfect counter for religious mans historic lack of fear.

God's Words mean something, all of them. At least I believe they do. Shouldn't all of God's Children believe so as well? Just as your children have come to know your words have meaning.

I was just taken aback a little at your arrogant statement, given what the Bible actually teaches.

 

[Hammster]

You said;

"I’m sorry for you folks that have to live in fear of losing salvation. There can’t be much joy not knowing if you are doing enough."

To which I concluded;

"God is not the Father of everyone who calls HIM Lord, Lord."

A Biblical Fact warned of over and over and over.

It is the perfect counter for religious mans historic lack of fear.

God's Words mean something, all of them. At least I believe they do. Shouldn't all of God's Children believe so as well? Just as your children have come to know your words have meaning.

I was just taken aback a little at your arrogant statement, given what the Bible actually teaches.

I never claimed that He was the Father to all who call Him Lord (especially since it’s the Son they are calling Lord). My point is that since He’s our Father (mine anyway), there’s nothing to fear in the same way that my children don’t have to worry about me stopping being their father.

 

[Studyman]

I never claimed that He was the Father to all who call Him Lord (especially since it’s the Son they are calling Lord). My point is that since He’s our Father (mine anyway), there’s nothing to fear in the same way that my children don’t have to worry about me stopping being their father.

OK,

Thank you.

 

[BobRyan]

Rom. 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

...

Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
...

1 Cor 9
23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. 25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. 26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached the gospel to others, I myself should become disqualified.

1 Cor 6
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Matt 18
32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”

Ezek 18
24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.
25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair? 26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies. 27 Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive.

Which one of those talks about fearing losing salvation?

Which one doesn't??

 

[YeshuaFan]

1 Cor 9
23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. 25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. 26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached the gospel to others, I myself should become disqualified.

1 Cor 6
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Matt 18
32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”



Which one doesn't??

Sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise until God redeems me!

 

[Hammster]

1 Cor 9
23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. 25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. 26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached the gospel to others, I myself should become disqualified.

1 Cor 6
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Matt 18
32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”

Ezek 18
24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.
25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair? 26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies. 27 Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive.



Which one doesn't??

None.

 

[Phil W]

Only a fool would take Grace and turn it into “ a license to sin”...... no one here and especially not ME is promoting that Stupidity...
But there are many Foolish Christians out there who are Carnal Enough and Stupid Enough to think that they can Sin and “ get away with it”
I agree with Charles Stanley on this one—- “ So you think as a totally forgiven Child Of God you can go out and just Sin up a Storm and get away with it? Try it ...I dare you!

Amen to that!

 

[Phil W]

so .... once sanctified ... always sanctified???? Nope

We are to remain in Him daily .... we are continuously being sanctified by the Holy Spirit

Sanctification begins with justification. But, while justification is God’s act of forgiving our sins and counting us righteous through faith in Jesus Christ, sanctification is the continual work of the Holy Spirit in the believer ... that is ... us being conformed to the image of Christ, who is God’s son. And, while justification is a one-time act of God, sanctification is a continual process until we are taken to be with the Lord.

Sanctification is the continuous work of the Holy Spirit.

Sanctification starts and finishes with the application of the blood of Christ.
Just as the instruments of the temple are sanctified with blood, so are we...but with better blood.
It is written..."By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10)

How many times will you need to apply the blood of Christ to yourself before you aren't unholy anymore?

 

[eleos1954]

Sanctification starts and finishes with the application of the blood of Christ.
Just as the instruments of the temple are sanctified with blood, so are we...but with better blood.
It is written..."By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10)

How many times will you need to apply the blood of Christ to yourself before you aren't unholy anymore?

Are you completely holy ... or are you being made holy through the work of the Holy Spirit?

1 Thessalonians 5:23. "Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

The basic meaning of “sanctify” is to set apart to God, for His use. But God works in those whom He claims as His own to conform them “to the image of his Son” (Rom. 8:29). This moral renovation, in which we are increasingly changed from what we once were, flows from the agency of the indwelling Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:13; 12:1, 2; 1 Cor. 6:11, 19, 20; 2 Cor. 3:18; Eph. 4:22–24; 1 Thess. 5:23; 2 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 13:20, 21). God calls His children to holiness, and graciously gives what He commands (1 Thess. 4:4; 5:23).

 

[Phil W]

Are you completely holy ... or are you being made holy through the work of the Holy Spirit?

I am completely holy...thanks be to the sanctifying blood of Christ.
The Holy Spirit won't dwell in a defiled temple.

1 Thessalonians 5:23. "Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Good point, but the "wholly" refers to the "whole" assembly.
Not to partially sanctified individuals.
The warnings given in verses 6 & 7, and 14 & 15 seem to "illuminate" the unsanctified in their midst.
Men are either cleansed and atoned for or they aren't.

The basic meaning of “sanctify” is to set apart to God, for His use.

Agreed, but it is written..."By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb 10:10)
It is finished already.
To show it has already occurred... "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" (Heb 10:29)...is written.
Past tense.

But God works in those whom He claims as His own to conform them “to the image of his Son” (Rom. 8:29). This moral renovation, in which we are increasingly changed from what we once were, flows from the agency of the indwelling Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:13; 12:1, 2; 1 Cor. 6:11, 19, 20; 2 Cor. 3:18; Eph. 4:22–24; 1 Thess. 5:23; 2 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 13:20, 21). God calls His children to holiness, and graciously gives what He commands (1 Thess. 4:4; 5:23).

Sanctification happens in one felt swoop, at the application of the sanctifying blood of our Savior.
You are using the word "sanctify" to describe 'growing in grace and knowledge'.

I only checked a few of your kindly supplied script's, (usually if one 'click's on a verse it will open in its own little box, but wouldn't do that this time), and saw that 1 Cor 6:11 says "are sanctified".
Don't you see that their sanctification "was" already accomplished?

Some use the "gradual sanctification" doctrine to accommodate continued sin in their lives.
It is not from God.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Im teaching.
(expounding).

Then post the verse as it is originally written. Then "expound" on it. You are changing scripture to match your theology.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Sanctification In Christ.
Romans 8:8. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
John 15:
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself,
unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit;
for without Me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they
gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire,
and it shall be done for you.
8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
9 As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

 

[Behold]

At any time one can choose to walk away from the Lord ... and some do.

Salvation does not allow you to stop being born again.
The only thing you can walk away from is a correct understanding of the Blood Atonement and Eternal life.
You've made it.

 

[Behold]

Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

You quote verses, having no idea what the mean.

For example the one you just quoted.

Yes, not everyone shall enter into the KOH.
Only the born again.
So, if you are not born again, you dont enter the KOG or the KOH.

 

[Behold]

I understand that pretty much every person on the planet, that calls Jesus Lord, is completely convinced that they are God's Children.

Works prove works.
Lifestyle proves lifestyle.
None of this is accepted by God.

The only proof a person is going to heaven, is ....if they are BORN AGAIN.

 

[Behold]

Then post the verse as it is originally written. Then "expound" on it. You are changing scripture to match your theology.

No, actually im not.
What i do is use the verses in my sentences, instead of quoting 40 verses that noone reads.