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I have the most unromantic fiancee ever in life! :(
He never does anything sweet, no cards, no emails, no presents / no surprises not even for holidays. The only romantic thing that he has ever done was take my garbage out and hold the door open.

Ive asked him to be more romantic, but he is just to selfish. He says that he shouldn't have to give me things or do extra things to show his love?

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You can't change people other than yourself. Some people are just less-romantic or even non-romantic by nature... expecting them to change is absurd since this is just who they are. You got all the way to the engagement stage with this guy, which means you have told this person by accepting his engagement that you are happy with the way he has been over how ever long you have been dating and you now want to marry him and be with him for the rest of your life as he is now. You can't now just expect him to change..

My suggestion?

Expect less, or break up. Because fights over something that may never change will get old really, really fast in the "forever and ever" part of Marriage and cause real issues in the long run.

A lack of romance isn't the end of the world.. but if this is really bothering you? Perhaps it is simply a way the two of you are incompatible. Therefor you have to really, really decide if this is too important to overlook. If it is, you need to consider the future.

Still, sit him down and talk with him. You say you've already asked him.. does that mean you fought with him? Yelled at him? Nagged at him? Accused him? Used "never/ever" phrases? (Why don't you ever... You never...)... these are all negative and unproductive.

If you guys are having communication issues, make sure you seek counseling asap before you ever walk down that aisle.
 
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"He never does anything sweet, no cards, no emails, no presents / no surprises not even for holidays. "

The man I'm with now doesn't do cards, or emails, he forgot Valentines last year, and my birthday, surprises are't his thing... but he DOES do things to show me he loves me. I think stereotypical romance isn't necessarily all you can do to show someone you love them. He asked if I needed cold medicine when I was sick and offered to bring it, was worried about my foot when I hurt it, listens to me when I talk about my problems with work or my girls, is proud to hold my hand in public and makes sure everyone knows who I am when he introduces me "this is my girlfriend...". And things do get better emotionally for you when you see things like this. You can always buy yourself flowers if you want them... you can plan romantic things (I took my SO out for our one year anniversary and had a great time WITHOUT him having to do it).
 
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I have the most unromantic fiancee ever in life! :(
He never does anything sweet, no cards, no emails, no presents / no surprises not even for holidays. The only romantic thing that he has ever done was take my garbage out and hold the door open.

Ive asked him to be more romantic, but he is just to selfish. He says that he shouldn't have to give me things or do extra things to show his love?

Suggestions?


Not everyone is the romantic type. My uncle has been with my aunt for over 30 years and it does not really do any of those things either. It's rare he even buys her a gift on her birthday. But he's a good man and has been like a father to me.

With that said, being with someone unromantic isn't for everyone. Personally, it makes me feel unappreciated because I am very romantic and do things for my partner and I'm the type of person I want to be treated how I treat others.

You can't change people though. They are who they are. They can change if they want to for you, but if they don't want, they aren't going to. You have to accept this and ask yourself if this is the person, just how he is now, that you want to spend the rest of your life with.

Don't feel bad if it isn't. Some things that aren't important to others is very important to some.
 
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My dad never showed my mother the affection she craved. Actually we kids saw it in the way, he was always there, always supportive, and always the provider. So my mother sic us kids on him, saying give him a hug every chance you get and tell him that you love him. It was like hugging stiff cardboard. When I was old enough to leave home, he put me on the greyhound bus, with a handshake, which I knew was immense in emotion [stoic style] and I treasured it. Even though those looking on probably thought he was cold hearted.

It was years later that Dad started to warm up. Maybe a brief squeeze when we hugged him. But adventually on his death bed he reached the point where he did give genuine solid hugs of affection. It was just the way he was raised and not the way he was taught to show affection is all I can say.

I loved my dad, and know he loved me in the million other ways he found to show he cared. My mother never did get the affection the way she had hoped to receive it and never realized that she had his heart all this time through out their married life. She missed out on the joy of the moments, because she was looking at it the wrong way.
 
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Me and my boyfriend do none of that, but we're happy.

If you don't like how he is, leave him to be and break up, your attitude right now is not nice. Its not that he's selfish, this is just his personality. If you hated it so much, why did you agree to marry him?
 
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I'm with Windmill and MG and Luther...

you've already agreed to marry him, so you know he's this way, right? Like, you knew about the lack of romance before you agreed to marry him?

You can't change him. The only thing you can do is control yourself, how you treat him, and how you react to him.

If you honestly can't take the lack of romance (it's so bad that you're calling him selfish, which he might be; I don't know him)...


why are you marrying him?
 
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Im am 25 years old to answer your question Melissa 1208.

Its not that I demand these things, but I would love to be reciprocated. He wants these things done for him and I do them.
Also as for relationships goes, it's not about "this is how I am and you can't change me". Relationships require some flexibility and compromise on the part of BOTH parties.
I'm not asking for a kidney or a million dollars, but just simple ways to show that he cares.
Maybe I should rethink about this engagement because I could not ever be ok with feeling unappreciated. Sorry, just won't work for me.
 
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Hm. It's not the end of the world to ask yourself "Does he really love me?" You will hear all kinds of platitudes telling you to try to believe in something that doesn't please you. A thought from the Bible:
Love is patient
Love is kind
Love is generous
Love cares
Love is not arrogant
Love is enduring

We hear those thoughts from the Bible and mostly apply them to how WE love, but sometimes it applies to how we are loved. So to wonder if someone really does love us is not a bad thing, even as we wonder whether or not God does and explore that, coming to know Him better. In the same way at times we need to explore those thoughts and feelings about people we love, when we doubt them.

The 'love them as they are' applies to some extent, but it requires a bit of common sense. For example: spouse tends to snap at the kids and lose temper with them. It's one thing if it happens once in a while; if it happens on a regular basis you find a way to get them to stop. Other things you compromise about, some things you let go. In this case because you're wondering whether or not he appreciates and cherishes you, yes you do have to know that. And while he may be trying to show appreciation in other ways, at the very least you have to know that he's doing it before you can appreciate that.

I wonder how easy it is for both of you to talk to one another and figure things out together. If you could overcome this with understanding it might be a good start for you; otherwise it might make it very clear that you either have a long way to go before you have that mutual trust or else that you might want to call off the engagement.
 
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I think I know what relationships are like, my dear; I've been in one for over four years and am also engaged ;)

Yes, relationships require flexibility. Yes, they require sacrifice. That's kinda my point... it seems, to me, like your fiancé is NOT giving you a little sacrifice and flexibility, ya know? You've asked for romance, but he's made up his mind that he doesn't think he needs to show you any because he shows his love in other ways...


so since you can't change his mind and MAKE him be romantic, YOU need to decide whether or not you can live with the lack of romance for the rest of your lives together, ya know?

My fiancé isn't very romantic, either... but he's SO willing to try! I just need to tell him, and then he tries his best to do it. Sometimes he fails miserably. Sometimes he just doesn't THINK about doing romantic things for me.

But looking back over our relationship, I know the man has literally bent over backwards for me in a lot of ways, and I for him. It's mutual.

If you're doing all the bending and your fiancé won't budge... well, then, I don't know what to tell you :(
 
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my thought is (not trying to be rude)... why is it that it's necessary for him to be flexible and change, and it doesn't appear that you're willing to change your stance? kwim? He NEEDS to be romantic because I need it.... vs. It's not natural for him (or insert reason) and he's maybe uncomfortable with it or it's just not in his makeup.

I think we make choices about the behaviors we will and won't accept as part of our lives and it's unfair on his part, or on your part, to get in knee deep and then change what behavior is acceptable. kwim? If you've lived with him this way for this long, and want to be with him, is it ok to say "now you have to change because I didn't insist on this behavior in the first place"? I think maybe looking long and hard at what you want, and if this is a NEED and he can't fulfill it, then maybe you need to set a boundary and move on or totally make peace with this never happening and be pleasantly surprised if it does.
 
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I have some thoughts based on my experience.

First of all, if otherwise you have a good relationship, I wouldn't be so quick to break up or "get over it." Does he show that he respects and loves you in other ways? If so then I think this issue is one that is possible to resolve.

As many have mentioned, you probably just have different needs in your relationship. Honestly in many relationships it is hard for a man and woman to understand each other's needs. You sound to me like you are having a common man-woman relationship struggle here. And all that it may take to start resolving it is honest, open, but LOVING communication.

I hesitate to share too much detail on this, so I'm going to keep it slightly vague and present it in a way that is still respectful to my wonderful fiance.

Over the summer, he was having to travel a lot on a work job. He was working VERY hard, and he was doing it for me. He was far away from me for long periods of time and working long hours. Even though he was doing it so he could earn the money for us to get engaged, plan a wedding, and put a down payment on his house, I started to feel neglected. I am not one that needs A LOT of romance, but he needs even less than I do. I am fairly traditional, so on special occasions like an anniversary or V Day, I want something that shows some sentiment instead of a practical gift. I also desire things like a candlelight dinner or listening to romantic music rather than hard rock. He is just not naturally that way.

I'm not really sure how it comes across to a guy when a girl says that she wants these things or tries to hint around for them, but all the times I tried to say something about it, he didn't really seem to get it. He would say that it was sappy or something like that, or indicate that he didn't think he could do it right. I think his resistance was partly because it was uncomfortable for him, and partly because he was afraid of trying and then doing something I wouldn't like.

But with all his traveling and us not getting to talk often, it finally came to a head because I began to feel very neglected. I KNEW that he loved me. I knew that I was important to him. But still I needed some encouragement. I got really down about it and he knew I was struggling. I didn't want to talk about it right away, but I thought about it some and I finally ended up drafting him a letter. A lot of thought and prayer went into this letter, and I worked for awhile beforehand to make sure my attitude was right and I was doing it for the right motives.

Let me make a very important distinction that you need to understand: if you are doing it out of a whiny, complaining, give-me-what-I-want attitude, it will not be taken well. This is going to come across as you being needy, clingy, unsatisfied with him, and like he doesn't make you happy. A good guy is going to want to make you happy, and he is probably going to feel like a failure and want to retreat if he isn't doing so. Making him feel like a failure will NOT encourage him to do better--it will have the opposite affect. However, if you take the time to refocus your attitude and examine your motives, it will allow you to understand the importance of communicating with him about this issue. Get to the place to where you can truly talk to him about this issue with the goal in mind that it will bring about GOOD change in your relationship. It's not all about you; it's about the two of you. Giving not just to the needs of YOUR heart but to the health of the RELATIONSHIP you both share. You are a team. You need to make it all about your team.

For me, after I had considered these things and straightened out my attitude, I wrote him an honest and yet kind letter explaining where I was at. I started out talking about the positives of our relationship. And then I told him that I understood that romantic things don't come naturally for him, but that they were things I needed from time to time. Then I again focused on the positives of what it would do for our relationship if we made some changes. I told him that it would increase my confidence and security in his love. I assured him that I knew that he loved me but that it MADE MY DAY when he did things to show it. I used an examples he could relate to.

One thing to keep in mind about a lot of guys (and this is an generalization) is that they often have the mentality of, "If I've done/said it once, why do I have to do/say it again?" A lot of guys live with the idea that things are good unless their woman says they're not, while a lot of girls live with the idea that if nothing is said to indicate that things are good, then they must not be good. They view the relationship opposite of each other. He may not understand it if you look at the relationship this way. I said that it was like kissing. I can't say, "Well, I've kissed him once so why do I need to do it again?" Kissing is something that should be done regularly and often because it affirms the other person on how we feel for them. The same is true with romance, although do keep in mind not to be too demanding or expect TOO much from him, especially when he's still confused as to why in the world you want these things.

One thing I said was to use examples of the things he HAD done for me that were romantic and then I explained to him how those things made me feel. Confident, alluring, beautiful, sexy, special. Then I said that if I never got anything like that it started to make me feel alienated from him.

Overall, though, I kept it on the POSITIVE. I affirmed him at the same time I asked him to help me. I kept it about THE RELATIONSHIP rather than about me. And at the end I honestly and graciously invited him to teach ME what I could do to show him how much I loved him. Because who was to say I was loving him in the way he needed to be loved? Sometimes we don't naturally speak the "love language" of the other person; we have to LEARN to speak it (too bad there's not a Rosetta Stone for that one!).

The result? Well, I got a very sweet message back in which he apologized for his insensitivity. He told me he was determined to learn to do those things that showed me he loved me. He told me that he wanted me to know that he loved me so much and wanted to make me happy. He responded, not out of defensiveness, but out of humility and love. When he came home, he snuggled with me and put some Michael Bublé on the iPod. For Valentine's Day he got me flowers and a sweet card that told me how I was THE MOST important part of his life. He fixed me a delicious steak and bought candles for the table and played soft music: all his idea. What's even more interested is that after he started doing these things and saw how much they delighted me, he started to realize that he liked them more than he thought he would.

Keep it positive. Keep it all about the TWO of you and the health of your relationship. Ask him humbly if you two can both learn to speak each other's language. And then try and let him try and be patient with him while he does. Don't throw in the towel until you've tried a different approach. :hug:

Feel free to PM me if you want anything more specific.
 
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Did you do it from obligation or how you feel (I know in my marriage before I did things out of obligation and they made me resentful)? I think the best changes come from the desire to be a better person and not just to please someone else. Hopefully he can get there for you/with you.
 
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Thanks guys.

Its not even him never being romantic, but it should be fairly easy to be thoughtful. You can be thoughtful to a stranger.
He expects certain things and even though I am not the "lovey dovey" type, I modified my way to accomodate him to make him happy.

My wife got me to watch "Love Actually" with her during this last year. One of the things (spoiler alert) that was kind of cool is how this guy who has fallen in love with a woman who doesn't speak his language makes the effort to learn it so that he can ask her to marry him. It's romantic and it's just a movie, but at the same time I think that we all have different styles and languages and it is not asking too much to ask that there be a compromise at the least in order to demonstrate that we really care. It doesn't have to fit into a graph or something like that--we don't have to pigeonhole absolutely everything, but we can in a practical way figure things like this out. As you said, asking for a million dollars would be a bit much--but asking for someone to help out financially by getting a job and sticking to it is not. Asking for a kidney is too much (short of you dying without one) but asking someone to help you out when you are sick is not.

My own real life example: my wife found it difficult to understand my moods. I don't normally smile much and I tend to not demonstrate happiness or joy readily. It was hard for her to figure out how I was feeling, and she expressed this once when she explained why she had been hesitant in responding during a difficult conversation we had. So I made an effort to smile at her more when I was in a normal mood. This made it easier for her--and I had to because it was very hard for her to figure out what I was feeling without her asking me every five minutes. It doesn't have to be a big deal.
 
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well, you're engaged, I wouldn't try to turn back now, But I feel your pain. (no notes?? my love language is not "physical touch" or "acts of service" or "quality time" its actually "little notes" hehe :p ). However, I would have a good solid heart to heart talk with him, maybe its not your style to be really forward with him about things like this, but it seems like a pretty big deal, so I would make sure he knows...don't just hint, unless he's REALLY good at picking up hints. let him know how sad it makes you when you see other girls receive cute things from their fiancees/boyfriends, and you dont recieve anything...however don't just criticize...always place gentle criticisms inside a sandwich of compliments "I love the way you do _____ i would love it if you could _____ btw I loved the time you did ____ for me"

. Secondly, whenever he makes ANY little effort (even the little things, holding doors open...even a tiny-bit-thoughtful christmas gift or something 'expected' like this) praise him for it. Let him know TRULY how much it means when he does the little things for you. Find out his love language, and reciprocate to ANY sort of romantic gestures he makes with a response in his love language (if he's anything like most men, that would be "words of affirmation" and "physical affection")

now, if you already throw tons of this his way for no reason, he may not notice, and you'll have a bit of a battle on your hands.

I'm not an expert, but if this is getting to the point where you think you might want to break off the engagement, get pastoral counsel. Its true, you cannot change him. However, if he wants to change, he can. He just has to want to change first.
 
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I'm not asking for a kidney or a million dollars, but just simple ways to show that he cares.

Here's something funny. My husband isn't especially romantic. I've never received flowers, candies, unsolicited back rubs, bubble baths drawn for me, poetry, etc. With that said I know that if I needed a kidney he'd give me his in a heartbeat. Maybe your fiance would do the same. Is it possible that he was raised in a home where there wasn't a lot of outward expression of gratitude?

I guess I'm trying to figure out if the issue here is he lacks romantic inclinations or he doesn't show you respect, because the two can be mutually exclusive, but the latter is seriously problematic.
 
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