No need for so called "clobber passages" if:

[KCKID]

I take issue with homosexuality because I believe God does . . .

I doubt it. I would say that you take issue with homosexuality because you don't understand the mechanics of homosexuality and it scares you, for whatever reason. Christians oftentimes have a tendency to pick and choose scriptures that tie in with their own prejudices. But would they ever admit to that? Never!

Traditional is all the Bible speaks of, if you are speaking of a man and a woman being husband and wife, or having children, or being the way God created mankind to be together.

Cookies from the same mold? Thank God for diversity within the human species. It would be nice, savedandhappy1, if you could/would understand that human beings are NOT all the same ...even though you seem so desperately to want them to be. Why is 'normal' something to rejoice about? What is 'normal' anyway? How come something considered not to be 'normal' scares people so?

I am not 'gay' but I pretty well rejoice that people can be so diverse from one another. To be honest, the average heterosexual life-style scenario bores me. Most ARE like the proverbial cookie. Their lives remind me of the Peggy Lee song ..."Is THAT All There Is ...?"

So, there you go, I'm not normal either. No doubt someone will be able to come up with scripture to condemn the likes of me who are 'not normal'.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Well, then, let God do the judging.

I don't see why sinning peons should be sitting here all "Omygoshh you guys! Homosexuality is against the natural order! Insert Bible passage."

When God judges them it will be to late for them! Boy, and we are told we aren't loving. I still think we need to define what love means to us, because that sure doesn't sound loving to me.

The Bible says we aren't to be quite about sin, and we aren't to sit by and watch people who profess to be Christians sin. We are to rebuke, exhort, and correct them. I could insert scriptures to back up what I just said, but since you seem to think it wrong to show people that you aren't making something up so you show proof with scriptures, I won't.

 

[savedandhappy1]

I doubt it. I would say that you take issue with homosexuality because you don't understand the mechanics of homosexuality and it scares you, for whatever reason. Christians oftentimes have a tendency to pick and choose scriptures that tie in with their own prejudices. But would they ever admit to that? Never!

So what about homosexuality is suppose to scare me? That frankly has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I think I have ever heard.

Pick and choose...........yeah I had to really dig to find scriptures that speak of God making man and woman and telling them to go forth and multiple. It was even harder to find scriptures that say that a man will leave his parents and cleave a wife, or that a pastor and a deacon are to be the husband of one wife. Then there are those so few scriptures that say that so and so begat so and so.

It was so hard to find these scriptures, and not list the ones which say and God made Adam and Steve and they begat Bob. Then to try and avoid the scriptures that tell about a man leaving his parents and cleaving to himself a man...........well I was up hours trying to find scriptures that didn't have that in them.

I will tell you like I told someone several post back. It is really getting old hearing how if you believe homosexuality is a sin you are a hater, you are prejudice, etc. The false witness continues to roll, and yes it would be hard to admit to something that I am not, so I see no reason to lie and say I am.

I will have to address the rest of this later, on call at hospital and just got paged.

Cookies from the same mold? Thank God for diversity within the human species. It would be nice, savedandhappy1, if you could/would understand that human beings are NOT all the same ...even though you seem so desperately to want them to be. Why is 'normal' something to rejoice about? What is 'normal' anyway? How come something considered not to be 'normal' scares people so?

I am not 'gay' but I pretty well rejoice that people can be so diverse from one another. To be honest, the average heterosexual life-style scenario bores me. Most ARE like the proverbial cookie. Their lives remind me of the Peggy Lee song ..."Is THAT All There Is ...?"

So, there you go, I'm not normal either. No doubt someone will be able to come up with scripture to condemn the likes of me who are 'not normal'.

You would have to check with God to find out what He considers normal, because that is the lifestyle we are to live not the one that doesn't bore us. We have to be in this world but we aren't to be part of it. I can insert scripture if you need me too?

Why is living the life that God planned for us something to rejoice about????????? Well I guess it wouldn't be if you aren't a child of the King, but if you are then you should rejoice in His perfect design. You should get up everyday and pick up your cross and follow Him, which is my definition of normal. (when I used you I wasn't meaning you, but anyone who is a child of God)

"Is That All There Is..................oh my, no that isn't all there is. This earth isn't our treasure, and it has nothing for us. Our treasures are to be in Heaven with the Lord, but I guess as the scriptures say, where our heart is there our treasure is, and if that is being all wrapped up in this world then I guess ....................

You know you are right, I am scared.....................I am scared that people will remain deceived and blinded from the truth. I am scared they will spend eternity in hell, and so no matter how many times you want to bear false witness against me, I will continue to post scriptures:
1. that say homosexuality is a sin,
2. that lying even white lies are sin,
3. that stealing from the rich and giving to the poor is still stealing and still a sin,
4. that sleeping with someone elses wife is still adultery no matter how much you love eachother,
5. etc.

I will continue to say that if we truely love our neighbor we will let the Holy Spirit use us to help them see that they are lost, and without Jesus that they will go to hell.

I will continue to do as the Bible instructs, and rebuke, exhort and correct when my fellow Christians are traveling down a sinful path. I will pray that my brothers and sisters would love me enough to do the same if my path isn't straight and narrow.

I will, no matter how many names I am called, continue to stand on the Word of God, and will not wavier in my faith. I will not become PC but will continue down the path the Lord leads me until the Lord moves me to shake the dust off my shoes and move on.

The more and more I read these post (not meaning just yours) the more I see nothing but fleshly views. I see people worried about a boring life down here. I see people worried about... well down here, and see very little said about the fact that we are just strangers passing through this life to get to the true life.

This all reminds me of the rich man who ask what he needed to do to be saved. The Lord told him to keep the commandments, and he said he had done that since his youth. So the Lord said to sell all his possession and follow Him, which made the man go away sad because he was very rich.

I guess we could use many different things in place of riches because, insert passage here, it is whatever we place above God and refuse to give up that will cause us to go away sad and unsaved. So see we are diverse, because we all have things in our lives that we must give up to be saved. Some will die to self and accept Christ as their personnal Saviour, and sadly many will go away sad and lost.

 

[KCKID]

So what about homosexuality is suppose to scare me? That frankly has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I think I have ever heard.

Pick and choose...........yeah I had to really dig to find scriptures that speak of God making man and woman and telling them to go forth and multiple. It was even harder to find scriptures that say that a man will leave his parents and cleave a wife, or that a pastor and a deacon are to be the husband of one wife. Then there are those so few scriptures that say that so and so begat so and so.

It was so hard to find these scriptures, and not list the ones which say and God made Adam and Steve and they begat Bob. Then to try and avoid the scriptures that tell about a man leaving his parents and cleaving to himself a man...........well I was up hours trying to find scriptures that didn't have that in them.

I will tell you like I told someone several post back. It is really getting old hearing how if you believe homosexuality is a sin you are a hater, you are prejudice, etc. The false witness continues to roll, and yes it would be hard to admit to something that I am not, so I see no reason to lie and say I am.

I will have to address the rest of this later, on call at hospital and just got paged.



You would have to check with God to find out what He considers normal, because that is the lifestyle we are to live not the one that doesn't bore us. We have to be in this world but we aren't to be part of it. I can insert scripture if you need me too?

Why is living the life that God planned for us something to rejoice about????????? Well I guess it wouldn't be if you aren't a child of the King, but if you are then you should rejoice in His perfect design. You should get up everyday and pick up your cross and follow Him, which is my definition of normal. (when I used you I wasn't meaning you, but anyone who is a child of God)

"Is That All There Is..................oh my, no that isn't all there is. This earth isn't our treasure, and it has nothing for us. Our treasures are to be in Heaven with the Lord, but I guess as the scriptures say, where our heart is there our treasure is, and if that is being all wrapped up in this world then I guess ....................

You know you are right, I am scared.....................I am scared that people will remain deceived and blinded from the truth. I am scared they will spend eternity in hell, and so no matter how many times you want to bear false witness against me, I will continue to post scriptures:
1. that say homosexuality is a sin,
2. that lying even white lies are sin,
3. that stealing from the rich and giving to the poor is still stealing and still a sin,
4. that sleeping with someone elses wife is still adultery no matter how much you love eachother,
5. etc.

I will continue to say that if we truely love our neighbor we will let the Holy Spirit use us to help them see that they are lost, and without Jesus that they will go to hell.

I will continue to do as the Bible instructs, and rebuke, exhort and correct when my fellow Christians are traveling down a sinful path. I will pray that my brothers and sisters would love me enough to do the same if my path isn't straight and narrow.

I will, no matter how many names I am called, continue to stand on the Word of God, and will not wavier in my faith. I will not become PC but will continue down the path the Lord leads me until the Lord moves me to shake the dust off my shoes and move on.

The more and more I read these post (not meaning just yours) the more I see nothing but fleshly views. I see people worried about a boring life down here. I see people worried about... well down here, and see very little said about the fact that we are just strangers passing through this life to get to the true life.

This all reminds me of the rich man who ask what he needed to do to be saved. The Lord told him to keep the commandments, and he said he had done that since his youth. So the Lord said to sell all his possession and follow Him, which made the man go away sad because he was very rich.

I guess we could use many different things in place of riches because, insert passage here, it is whatever we place above God and refuse to give up that will cause us to go away sad and unsaved. So see we are diverse, because we all have things in our lives that we must give up to be saved. Some will die to self and accept Christ as their personnal Saviour, and sadly many will go away sad and lost.

Well, while I might not agree with everything you said I DO appreciate the sincerity behind your thoughtful and well-constructed post.

Thank you.

 

[KCKID]

Oh, by the way, I see that you're from Kansas. I'm from Chanute, Kansas but now reside in Townsville, QLD, Australia. Have done so since 1980.

Just thought that I'd mention that for no particular reason.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Quirk,

Well, who says that all the homosexuals have to live without same sex intercourse? Moreover, if they don't believe that denying that is beneficial to their health.

er as I said God says. We are arguing about God's word in the Bible , people are free can choose whether they believe or not. The problem with this forum and this topic is some seem to have understandings of the Bible opposite to what it says.

You said let God do the judging. As we have shown you the word of God in the Bible which shows what God has judged on this, to which god are you referring?

 

[savedandhappy1]

Oh, by the way, I see that you're from Kansas. I'm from Chanute, Kansas but now reside in Townsville, QLD, Australia. Have done so since 1980.

Just thought that I'd mention that for no particular reason.

Neat, I live in Columbus, Kansas which isn't that far from where you lived. What a small world we live in.

I have always wanted to go to Australia, and my husband has promised he will take me one of these days. (maybe, ) He went there when he was in the navy, during the Vietnam war, and said it was lovely.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Well, while I might not agree with everything you said I DO appreciate the sincerity behind your thoughtful and well-constructed post.

Thank you.

Thank You!

Oh, and speaking of normal..........boy that will give us trouble, because I have never been called or considered anything normal.

 

[Trashionista]

When God judges them it will be to late for them! Boy, and we are told we aren't loving. I still think we need to define what love means to us, because that sure doesn't sound loving to me.

The Bible says we aren't to be quite about sin, and we aren't to sit by and watch people who profess to be Christians sin. We are to rebuke, exhort, and correct them. I could insert scriptures to back up what I just said, but since you seem to think it wrong to show people that you aren't making something up so you show proof with scriptures, I won't.

You consider it loving to lecture a homosexual and warn them of impending doom?

You really have no proof, though.

 

[Trashionista]

Dear Quirk,
er as I said God says. We are arguing about God's word in the Bible , people are free can choose whether they believe or not. The problem with this forum and this topic is some seem to have understandings of the Bible opposite to what it says.

You said let God do the judging. As we have shown you the word of God in the Bible which shows what God has judged on this, to which god are you referring?

Then allow a homosexual to deal with their faith or what a religion tells them.

I don't think we need followers of the faith really deciding to go out and lecture our homosexual brethren. Its obnoxious and just comes off very self-righteous.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Quirk,

Then allow a homosexual to deal with their faith or what a religion tells them.

They can do, but I was refering to the Christian religion and some homosexuals choose Christianity.

I don't think we need followers of the faith really deciding to go out and lecture our homosexual brethren. Its obnoxious and just comes off very self-righteous.

Again I ask which faith are you referring to?

 

[savedandhappy1]

You consider it loving to lecture a homosexual and warn them of impending doom?

You really have no proof, though.

No poof that God means what He says.............? Oh I have a whole book, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit which assure me that He is a God of His Word, and so what you call lecturing is me trying to get as many people as possible in the Kingdom of God. Which is what Jesus told us to do.

He didn't say if you can do it without upsetting them, tell them I love them but I don't love what they are doing. The letters to the seven churches, in Revelation, comes to mind here.

So you are telling me that if I was going down a sinful path, you wouldn't do what the Bible says and rebuke, exhort or correct me? I'm sorry I didn't think to look before posting, so I will just ask, you call yourself a Christian and you wouldn't try to do the brotherly or sisterly things you should do? Or even if I'm wasn't a Christian you wouldn't reach out to me?

I'm not saying run up to someone on the street and start hitting them with the big Bible, but this site is suppose to be a Christian site. The Bible is clear on what our response should be, and if you need me to I can find those scripures for you.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Quirk,

deciding to go out and lecture our homosexual brethren

My Christian brethren are Christian, a few also happen to be homosexual. I dont really need to lecture anyone who is my Christian brethren, they already know and share the basic same beliefs, and I couldnt really lecture them on differernt style and interpretation of those beliefs

 

[Trashionista]

Dear Quirk,
They can do, but I was refering to the Christian religion and some homosexuals choose Christianity.

Again I ask which faith are you referring to?

And that's their business. Why exactly, do you care if a homosexual happens to be practising at your church? Does it effect your relationship with God?

And I'd say any faith that feels the need to lecture homosexuals is doing a disservice and being obnoxious.

 

[Trashionista]

Dear Quirk,
My Christian brethren are Christian, a few also happen to be homosexual. I dont really need to lecture anyone who is my Christian brethren, they already know and share the basic same beliefs, and I couldnt really lecture them on differernt style and interpretation of those beliefs

Then why all the anti-homosexual sentiment? Again, why does it concern you what two men or two women do in their bedroom and how that combines with their relationship with God?

 

[Trashionista]

No poof that God means what He says.............? Oh I have a whole book, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit which assure me that He is a God of His Word, and so what you call lecturing is me trying to get as many people as possible in the Kingdom of God. Which is what Jesus told us to do.

He didn't say if you can do it without upsetting them, tell them I love them but I don't love what they are doing. The letters to the seven churches, in Revelation, comes to mind here.

So you are telling me that if I was going down a sinful path, you wouldn't do what the Bible says and rebuke, exhort or correct me? I'm sorry I didn't think to look before posting, so I will just ask, you call yourself a Christian and you wouldn't try to do the brotherly or sisterly things you should do? Or even if I'm wasn't a Christian you wouldn't reach out to me?

I'm not saying run up to someone on the street and start hitting them with the big Bible, but this site is suppose to be a Christian site. The Bible is clear on what our response should be, and if you need me to I can find those scripures for you.

You don't know for sure. You believe it to be that homosexuals would be thrown into a Lake of Fire or whatever. You choose to believe it literally.

There's nothing scientific to prove that. As far as I know, no homosexuals have died to return to Earth to speak to Earthlings, so there is no real, concrete scientific proof.

 

[KCKID]

Then why all the anti-homosexual sentiment? Again, why does it concern you what two men or two women do in their bedroom and how that combines with their relationship with God?

Oh my. I will not allow myself to picture ANY of my fellow Christian brothers and sisters as actually having sex.

Ugghhh. Shudder at the thought.

So, for me anyway, that scenario is not where I want to go WHATEVER their orientation.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Quirk,

And that's their business. Why exactly, do you care if a homosexual happens to be practising at your church? Does it effect your relationship with God?

As Christians we are to restore our fellow brothers from sin.. Gal 6.

And I'd say any faith that feels the need to lecture homosexuals is doing a disservice and being obnoxious.

Ok

Then why all the anti-homosexual sentiment?

Where? there isnt any I can see.

Again, why does it concern you what two men or two women do in their bedroom and how that combines with their relationship with God?

I am not concerned, what two men or two women do is up to them, but a relationship with God is either in obedience or disobedience to God’s purposes.

 

[savedandhappy1]

You don't know for sure. You believe it to be that homosexuals would be thrown into a Lake of Fire or whatever. You choose to believe it literally.

There's nothing scientific to prove that. As far as I know, no homosexuals have died to return to Earth to speak to Earthlings, so there is no real, concrete scientific proof.

I believe that anyone who doesn't accept the Mercy and Grace offered by our Lord and Saviour will cause themselves to go into the Lake of Fire. This is why I try so hard to show everyone that we need a Saviour and that God loves us so much He sent His only Son to be that Saviour, that bridge to back to Him.

All through the Bible we see how sin separates us from God. From the very beginning when Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden to this very day we are all sinners, and in need of repentence.

The only difference from Genesis to now is that God knew we couldn't live the way He wanted, so He sent His son to suffer and die for us. He sent His son whose blood covers all our sins to be the answer we needed to again fellowship with God.

Scientific proof wouldn't be more accurate then the word and knowledge of our Lord, and it amazes me that we think that if we can't proof it by our knowledge it isn't so.

Faith in things not seen is what we are ask to have, and that doesn't mean until we can prove it. That means faith until we know by sight which we won't have until we go home to be with Him or He comes for us.

How can man think himself so great that he can prove all things of God? We can't even make dirt, and we think we can prove that we know everything that God can do?

God can do all things, whether we understand the how, what, when or why. So again by faith we must put our trust in God, and take Him at His word. Not try and make His word say something that makes more sense to us, we who don't even use half of the brain God gave us.

One of our biggest mistake was when we listened to people back in the 70's and only started speaking of the Love of God, leaving out jealous, wrath, judge, etc. In Jude 1 we see how some people we can win to the Kingdom with the love side, but in the very next verse we see how some must be saved by fear.

Why fear? Because some will not be worried about not totally surrendering to a God that only is Love. Why won't they? Because they don't believe that an only Loving God would want them to give up all their sins.

 

[Trashionista]

Dear Quirk,
As Christians we are to restore our fellow brothers from sin.. Gal 6.

Ok

Where? there isnt any I can see.
I am not concerned, what two men or two women do is up to them, but a relationship with God is either in obedience or disobedience to God’s purposes.

I'd say feeling the need to lecture a homosexual with the tenets of the Bible after seeing them in Church is being disrespectful.