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No More Sanctuary Texas Sheriffs: Mandatory ICE Partnership in Sweeping State Law Begins Today

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It's surprising that legislation was needed for this common-sense policy, which highlights the divide on immigration. While I disagree with today's conservative stance on immigration, I believe undocumented immigrants who commit crimes and are in U.S. jails should be promptly deported.
The most common conservative stance on immigration is part of the larger conservative philosophy that laws should be enforced and applied equally to everyone. For immigration that means those who have legally applied to become citizens and waited in line for a long time should not be pushed to the back of the line by illegals because a political group wants one-party control of the country. Likewise a drivers license should only be provided to someone who legitimately meets the legal requirements, etc.
 
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One of the reasons local LEOs went along with the sanctuary cities business--though you might wonder why they would do such a thing.--was that ICE had a reputation for incompetent thuggery and the cops didn't like working with them.
I see somethings haven't changed.
For instance, if cops in a sanctuary city dermine that an arrestee is an illegal aliens they notify ICE. If they release the subject without charge or at the completion of any sentence and ICE still hasn't shown up to get the individual, the cops will let them go, because they have no other legal reason to hold them and it's expensive and troublesome to hold people with no charge against them, sometimes for weeks.
 
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The most common conservative stance on immigration is part of the larger conservative philosophy that laws should be enforced and applied equally to everyone. For immigration that means those who have legally applied to become citizens and waited in line for a long time should not be pushed to the back of the line by illegals because a political group wants one-party control of the country. Likewise a drivers license should only be provided to someone who legitimately meets the legal requirements, etc.

When you refer to the "most common conservative stance," you referencing the form of conservatism that began with President Trump's announcement of his candidacy in 2015.

I am a conservative, but not in alignment with the conservatism that has emerged since 2015. While I agree with much of what you have mentioned, mass deportation as practiced by the Trump administration was never an aspect of traditional conservative ideology. The conservative approach of leaders such as McCain, W. Bush, H. Bush, and Reagan supported strict border control and law enforcement, yet also emphasized compassion. Those who entered the United States without legal status but have committed no other offenses should be offered a path to legal status and, ultimately, citizenship.

This perspective reflects the conservative stance on immigration between 1980 and 2012. Mitt Romney did not propose a comprehensive immigration policy; instead, he advocated for "self-deportation," a position that received little support.

On the other hand, Democrats and mainstream liberals often appear to lack of clear policy on immigration. Elected Democrats discuss immigration but do not want to pass legislation. The only time they attempt to introduce immigration bills is when they know these bills will not pass, allowing them to blame the GOP for their defeat. Democratic politics may appear to support undocumented individuals, but their focus is primarily on political interests. they just want Hispanic vote.

The current administration has essentially handed over the majority of Hispanic support to the Democrats for a generation. These Hispanic voters are unlikely to return to the GOP, much like how African American voters once left the GOP and did not come back.
 
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When you refer to the "most common conservative stance," you referencing the form of conservatism that began with President Trump's announcement of his candidacy in 2015.

I am a conservative, but not in alignment with the conservatism that has emerged since 2015. While I agree with much of what you have mentioned, mass deportation as practiced by the Trump administration was never an aspect of traditional conservative ideology. The conservative approach of leaders such as McCain, W. Bush, H. Bush, and Reagan supported strict border control and law enforcement, yet also emphasized compassion. Those who entered the United States without legal status but have committed no other offenses should be offered a path to legal status and, ultimately, citizenship.

This perspective reflects the conservative stance on immigration between 1980 and 2012. Mitt Romney did not propose a comprehensive immigration policy; instead, he advocated for "self-deportation," a position that received little support.

On the other hand, Democrats and mainstream liberals often appear to lack of clear policy on immigration. Elected Democrats discuss immigration but do not want to pass legislation. The only time they attempt to introduce immigration bills is when they know these bills will not pass, allowing them to blame the GOP for their defeat. Democratic politics may appear to support undocumented individuals, but their focus is primarily on political interests. they just want Hispanic vote.

The current administration has essentially handed over the majority of Hispanic support to the Democrats for a generation. These Hispanic voters are unlikely to return to the GOP, much like how African American voters once left the GOP and did not come back.
There was actually an uptick in Hispanic support for the GOP for their announced strict immigration policy. but since it has been carried out with gratuitous cruelty that support may be lost in the midterms.
 
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Likewise a drivers license should only be provided to someone who legitimately meets the legal requirements, etc.
Agreed. Being a citizen is not one of them.
 
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The most common conservative stance on immigration is part of the larger conservative philosophy that laws should be enforced and applied equally to everyone.
Right. When an illegal alien is convicted of a crime he is deported to his home country a free man, while his native born partner in crime is sent to prison. Is that really what you think equal enforcement amounts to?
For immigration that means those who have legally applied to become citizens and waited in line for a long time should not be pushed to the back of the line by illegals
Theose waiting legally shouldn't be pulled out of the line by ICE and deported, either.
because a political group wants one-party control of the country. Likewise a drivers license should only be provided to someone who legitimately meets the legal requirements, etc.
We know what political group wants one-party control of the country. The number of them striving for it in Christ's name is appalling.
 
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We know what political group wants one-party control of the country. The number of them striving for it in Christ's name is appalling.
Have heard little if any of such from that group.
 
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There was actually an uptick in Hispanic support for the GOP for their announced strict immigration policy. but since it has been carried out with gratuitous cruelty that support may be lost in the midterms.
President Trump received 45% of the Hispanic vote, which is higher than any previous GOP president. Over the past 20 years, Hispanic voters moved toward the GOP, in part due to dissatisfaction with certain far-left policies of the Democratic Party. Many Hispanic voters are socially conservative and disagree with various Democratic policies. Additionally, some believe that the Democratic Party has shown little interest in advancing immigration reform, which has contributed to the shift toward the GOP.

Hispanic voters support conservative immigration policies, such as the Gang of Six reform in 2013 and the Comprehensive Immigration Reform of 2007. Both focus on stronger border security, strict law enforcement, penalizing businesses that hire undocumented immigrants, expediting legal status for applicants waiting many years, and providing a pathway for undocumented immigrants whose only violation is entering the U.S. without legal status.

Many Hispanic voters did not believe President Trump's mass deportation rhetoric and considered it merely a campaign promise. But today they are experiencing mass deportations under the Trump administration, with nearly 70% moving back to the Democratic Party. Many are dealing with family separations and widespread hardship within their communities. While some may agree with the GOP on certain policies, when a party separates a mother from her son or a grandfather from his granddaughter, that granddaughter is unlikely to ever vote for the GOP again.

Similarly, Cuban Americans have historically occupied a distinct social class in the United States. Many arrived without legal status, yet due to various policies enacted over the past 50 years, they were able to find safe haven and ultimately obtain U.S. citizenship. As a result, their experience has often been quite different from that of other immigrant groups. However, the Trump administration rescinded TSP for over 550,000 Cubans, which significantly impacted the Cuban American community. If even 25% of this group shifts political allegiance toward the Democratic Party, it could influence the outcome of Florida’s 30 electoral college votes for a generation or two.
 
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President Trump received 45% of the Hispanic vote, which is higher than any previous GOP president. Over the past 20 years, Hispanic voters moved toward the GOP, in part due to dissatisfaction with certain far-left policies of the Democratic Party. Many Hispanic voters are socially conservative and disagree with various Democratic policies. Additionally, some believe that the Democratic Party has shown little interest in advancing immigration reform, which has contributed to the shift toward the GOP.

Hispanic voters support conservative immigration policies, such as the Gang of Six reform in 2013 and the Comprehensive Immigration Reform of 2007. Both focus on stronger border security, strict law enforcement, penalizing businesses that hire undocumented immigrants, expediting legal status for applicants waiting many years, and providing a pathway for undocumented immigrants whose only violation is entering the U.S. without legal status.
That policy is now known as "open borders." ;)
Many Hispanic voters did not believe President Trump's mass deportation rhetoric and considered it merely a campaign promise. But today they are experiencing mass deportations under the Trump administration, with nearly 70% moving back to the Democratic Party. Many are dealing with family separations and widespread hardship within their communities. While some may agree with the GOP on certain policies, when a party separates a mother from her son or a grandfather from his granddaughter, that granddaughter is unlikely to ever vote for the GOP again.

Similarly, Cuban Americans have historically occupied a distinct social class in the United States. Many arrived without legal status, yet due to various policies enacted over the past 50 years, they were able to find safe haven and ultimately obtain U.S. citizenship. As a result, their experience has often been quite different from that of other immigrant groups. However, the Trump administration rescinded TSP for over 550,000 Cubans, which significantly impacted the Cuban American community. If even 25% of this group shifts political allegiance toward the Democratic Party, it could influence the outcome of Florida’s 30 electoral college votes for a generation or two.
That move was mostly to stab DeSantis in the back. The Trump administration no longer seems to care very much about votes.
 
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It's sad when there are more lawbreakers in the sheriffs' offices asking them to be co-conspirators than there are in the jail.

It will be interesting to see Texas' redistricting plan explode when the 45% of Hispanics who voted for Trump in 2024 evaluate his betrayal this November, as they count the friends, relatives, and employees who have been deported; as they count the number of times they and their friends have been harassed and stopped because of their ethnicity and skin color, as they realize that for them, "DEI" has been changed to "open season."​
Welcome back, friends. Bienvenidos, amistades!​
 
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Texas’s new immigration‑enforcement law hit the state like a shockwave this morning, wiping out any remaining sanctuary‑style defiance by ordering every county sheriff to partner with ICE formally. The mandatory 287(g) crackdown is designed to hard‑wire deportation cooperation into every jail from the Panhandle to the Rio Grande.
Small-government conservatism is dead.
 
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But legal status is.
Yes and no.

Take my city of LA. Having both a very large undocumented population as well as an absolute need and dependency for everyone to own and drive a car just to move about, I'm personally much more interested in knowing the person on the road next to me is a licensed driver, rather than a legal or illegal citizen. A licensed and insured driver is much less of a liability to everyone around them than the person who is still going to drive a car around no matter what but refuses to go and get a license out of fear of how their legal status could affect them.
 
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