No Law = No Transgression = Sin no longer exists

[squint]

Because of the wording. I don't usually look at who says what, just what is being said.

It appears that how you think and speak and how I think and listen, aren't working too well for me.

You couldn't bother to read and respond there and I wouldn't expect any differently here.

 

[Priest4Him]

Have you read the complete Bible?

Now why can't I include the Ten Commandments in the law? Moses does. Paul does. James does. More importantly Jesus does. Anywhere one reads the law in the New Testament it includes the Ten Commandments.

There is no verse found in the Bible that divides the law.

You even quoted a passage saying the law was till the seed should come. This statement means the law is over and done with for the Christian (believer).

Oh my dear friend, there are plenty in the Bible, that make a very clear distinction between the law of Moses and the Law of God.

Dan. 9:10,11 "We have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in His laws, which He set before us by His servants the prophets. 11 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him."

Daniel 9:10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law.

Please note that God's law also called the 10 Commandments has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin]." Romans 4:15. So God's Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law. "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4 Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law or 10 Commandments and Moses law.

The law of Moses, Called "Law contained in ordinances"
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

The Ten Commandments, Called "the Royal law"
JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well


Moses law; Written by Moses in a book
2 CHRON. 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen.

The Ten Commandments;Written by God on stone
EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

Moses law;Placed in the side of the ark
DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.


The Ten Commandments; Placed inside the ark
EXO. 40:20 And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark

Moses law; Ended at the cross
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

The Ten Commandments; Will stand forever
LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.


Moses law; Added because of sin
GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The Ten Commandments; Points out sin
ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


Moses law; Contrary to us, against us
COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

The Ten Commandments; Not grievous
1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


And many more!

 

[TannarDarr]

The Decalogue is included in "The Law" when "The Law" is a reference to the Pentateuch. Those books were called... da da DAHHHHHHH "The Law", followed by the Songs, and the Prophets.

The LAW that Paul discusses and Christ addresses is nearly always the law requiring circumcision by the individuals. THAT eliminates the decalogue. And most of those quotes, "law is bad" are Paul's quotes.

 

[TannarDarr]

You couldn't bother to read and respond there and I wouldn't expect any differently here.

I've never been accused of not answering before. Quite the opposite, I get banned because I won't drop it.

I haven't seen anything I failed to respond to. BUT, you do whatever you have to do. I understand when your passive aggressive nature is clocked and recorded, you run out of options on how to respond.

 

[squint]

I've never been accused of not answering before. Quite the opposite, I get banned because I won't drop it.

Said if you wanted to bother yourself to read and respond in the thread we already had found the inability to communicate civilly with each other in, you are welcome to reattempt. We don't need to have a repeat here.

I really didn't expect you to listen to that request either, so thanks for another case in point.

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[TannarDarr]

I think that is true if one only considers the performance of the flesh.

I don't know what you are trying to say. Scripture says the living human being can't commit a sin at that point. The flesh is removed, it's no longer an issue and the Spirit of God, AFTER said removal inhabits the Soma/body/person.

I dont' mean "trying to say" in a crass fashion, but I can take the comment several ways.... help me pick one?

 

[Priest4Him]

Does that mean Jesus lied?

No, why you say that? See, many of the Jews forgot what was in the law; that is "LOVE" If you read the Ten Commandments you will discover that there is nothing there but love. So Jesus had to talk to them as it was a new commandment to them.

In Rev. 2:4 we read "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love"

This love probably included wholehearted love for God and for truth, and love for one another as brethren and for their fellow men in general.

 

[from scratch]

No, why you say that? See, many of the Jews forgot what was in the law; that is "LOVE" If you read the Ten Commandments you will discover that there is nothing there but love. So Jesus had to talk to them as it was a new commandment to them.

In Rev. 2:4 we read "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love"

This love probably included wholehearted love for God and for truth, and love for one another as brethren and for their fellow men in general.

Didn't Jesus say He gave us a new commandment?

 

[from scratch]

Oh my dear friend, there are plenty in the Bible, that make a very clear distinction between the law of Moses and the Law of God.

Dan. 9:10,11 "We have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in His laws, which He set before us by His servants the prophets. 11 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him."

Daniel 9:10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law.

Please note that God's law also called the 10 Commandments has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin]." Romans 4:15. So God's Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law. "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4 Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law or 10 Commandments and Moses law.

The law of Moses, Called "Law contained in ordinances"
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

The Ten Commandments, Called "the Royal law"
JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well


Moses law; Written by Moses in a book
2 CHRON. 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen.

The Ten Commandments;Written by God on stone
EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

Moses law;Placed in the side of the ark
DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.


The Ten Commandments; Placed inside the ark
EXO. 40:20 And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark

Moses law; Ended at the cross
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

The Ten Commandments; Will stand forever
LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.


Moses law; Added because of sin
GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The Ten Commandments; Points out sin
ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


Moses law; Contrary to us, against us
COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

The Ten Commandments; Not grievous
1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


And many more!

Yer plumb silly. You have no clue what the words mean or are using the private SDA code book.

 

[from scratch]

The Decalogue is included in "The Law" when "The Law" is a reference to the Pentateuch. Those books were called... da da DAHHHHHHH "The Law", followed by the Songs, and the Prophets.

The LAW that Paul discusses and Christ addresses is nearly always the law requiring circumcision by the individuals. THAT eliminates the decalogue. And most of those quotes, "law is bad" are Paul's quotes.

Ah Glad you qualified that with most.

 

[from scratch]

I don't know what you are trying to say. Scripture says the living human being can't commit a sin at that point. The flesh is removed, it's no longer an issue and the Spirit of God, AFTER said removal inhabits the Soma/body/person.

I dont' mean "trying to say" in a crass fashion, but I can take the comment several ways.... help me pick one?

No way. You take full responsibility for your choices.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Priest4Him
Oh my dear friend, there are plenty in the Bible, that make a very clear distinction between the law of Moses and the Law of God.

Don't forget the law of Christ

Gal 2:21
I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness be through law -- then Christ died in vain

Gal 6:2
Of one another, the burdens bear ye!
And so fill up the law of the Christ,

Yer plumb silly.
You have no clue what the words mean or are using the private SDA code book.

No need for ad hominems bro.



.

 

[Rick Otto]

You know guys,... if there's no sin, it's going to be a long cold winter.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You know guys,... if there's no sin, it's going to be a long cold winter.

Must be a lot of sin around, cuz it is cold here in God's country of Texas

Mat 24:20
and pray ye that your flight may not be in winter, nor on a sabbath;

 

[TannarDarr]

Must be a lot of sin around, cuz it is cold here in God's country of Texas

Mat 24:20
and pray ye that your flight may not be in winter, nor on a sabbath;

fitty two degrees at lbj and Forest in Dallas.