No-Knock Warrant Results in Death of Minneapolis Man

[Ana the Ist]

Well then there's a problem . The key worked so they didn't have the wrong house as one news cast said.
News last night said that they were looking for his cousin.

The police came in the room by using the keys?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I believe it was wrong to need to break in without knocking here. There is no evidence to the contrary given what the warrants were for.

Another poster seems to claim that they actually unlocked the door and opened it.

 

[timothyu]

The police came in the room by using the keys?

Yes

 

[returntosender]

The police came in the room by using the keys?

The post I quoted said they used a key.

 

[Ana the Ist]

In the rare case where the police think they need to go in shooting, use a robot, or use body armor that makes it unnecessary to shoot to defend their lives.

Unfortunately since basically everyone from 8 to 80 is armed in the US, literally every case of an interaction with the public is potentially a case where they are in danger.

But consider what you're saying...you literally want the police to not defend their own lives from deadly force because of the possibility of some super man type armor that makes them invincible?

That doesn't exist.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The post I quoted said they used a key.

And this guy... sleeping in an apartment that isn't his....decided the proper response to waking up with gun in hand and shooting whomever comes through the door?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes

So we're either talking about a guy so deranged he would shoot his cousin for simply coming home....

Or he saw it was the police and reached for the gun?

 

[returntosender]

Police didn't use a battering ram. They used a key. And Locke didn't point a gun at them. If you watch the video, while the gun is visible, he didn't point it at the police. Locke had something like 9 seconds to realize what was going on. thats no time when you are woken up.

Trunks2k #90

 

[timothyu]

The post I quoted said they used a key.

They showed it in the video

 

[Ana the Ist]

You can always make the case where police are safer by not knocking, but doing so prioritizes police safety over everyone else.

Right...you can have police who prioritize their own safety....or you can have young and very well paid police.

And it's not "them or everyone else".

They could always try to arrest him in public....but that puts the public at risk.

In these instances, the police are actually prioritizing the safety of everyone except the subject.

As far as my understanding of the criminal justice system, we are supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and, it's hard to presume someone innocent if you have to break into their apartment while they are sleeping with guns out and will shoot at the first provocation.

I don't know what you're suggesting here...

Cops operate outside of the court. They gather evidence, arrest suspects, and present these things to prosecutors. Prosecutors decide if a sufficient standard is met for pressing charges. If it isn't, arrested individuals are released. If it is...the case moves forward.

The cops don't presume anything. They investigate, they gather evidence, they make arrests. They can be wrong or right. They don't decide what charges move forward in which courts.

It's hard to parse in a country where we have a right to own a gun to protect ourselves and a right to protect our houses.

Is it?

No rights are infinite. You can't yell fire in a crowded building.

Your right to property is just as limited.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Trunks2k #90

Watching the video never has anything to do with the discussion...

If he shot at the police....and police shot at him and killed his dog....the same people would blame the police. As if rampant dog killing was an issue.

 

[returntosender]

The cases like this one always seem the same. Some idiot points a gun and doesn't expect to be killed.

 

[timothyu]

If he shot at the police....and police shot at him and killed his dog....the same people would blame the police. As if rampant dog killing was an issue.

Perhaps people will grasp at anything to complain about these days as they miss the old days where lynchings and the like were common and real fuel for the fire.

 

[timothyu]

The cases like this one always seem the same. Some idiot points a gun and doesn't expect to be killed.

Works on tv

 

[returntosender]

Perhaps people will grasp at anything to complain about these days as they miss the old days where lynchings and the like were common and real fuel for the fire.

And there's always money to be made.

 

[timothyu]

And there's always money to be made.

Yes families can end up set for life, if they don't blow it away quickly. But that doesn't change the fact when you look past that, that there is still something very wrong with the system where everybody mistrusts everybody.

 

[disciple Clint]

False, this was a no knock warrent, given the fact that between excercising said warrant and shooting the victim dead was just 9 seconds, he had every legal right to reach for and pointing his gun on persons unknown breaking into the be room he was in, he was given no time to respond to their identifying themselves.

I would not recommend following your legal advise

 

[disciple Clint]

The officer was the deadly threat, and Locke was undoubtedly within his rights to defend himself.

If that were the case there would be charges pending against the officer and there would be a civil rights investigation by the FBI. I do not see either one of those things happening. Do you?

 

[disciple Clint]

Locke did have the legal right to hold a gun and point it at an apparent intruder to where he was sleeping, according to the 2nd amendment. Locke was fully licensed to have that gun. He broke no laws. The fact that the police also had a legal right to enter the apartment as they did is evidence that our laws are contradictory and lead to such outcomes. That is why I do not blame the officers who entered the apartment. They were just doing what they were told. I blame the city itself for executing Locke. Unfortunately there is no means to put a city on trial for murder. By the way, Minneapolis is my city. I live here and I am disgusted by what my city has done.

No charges pending against the officer, No FBI investigation, looks like a justified shooting from all indications.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Unfortunately since basically everyone from 8 to 80 is armed in the US, literally every case of an interaction with the public is potentially a case where they are in danger. But consider what you're saying...you literally want the police to not defend their own lives from deadly force because of the possibility of some super man type armor that makes them invincible?

No, I want the city not to place cops in that position unnecessarily where they have to defend themselves. I know there are some situations where cops have to face bad guys with guns and that the cops have to defend themselves in such cases. But this didn't need to be such a situation.