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The Bible stands on it's own authority.

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

That does not even refer to the Old Testament there. Plus a man wrote that book. Once again, with its terrible flaws it is blasphemy to try to claim that the Bible is the "Word of God".
 
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1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

And a man wrote that......

Any more?
 
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Yes, a fictional character. Do you want to discuss why this image tells us that there was no worldwide flood?

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Actually I like this shot better. I thought the above image might do a slide show:

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I think that God is directing the process. I view evolution as the rise of the novel and unexpected. That means, evolution is the actualization of creative potentials. The creative potentials have to be somewhere. They cannot exist on their own, any more than imaginary ideas can exist without an imagination. Hence, I view God as the transcendental imagination that makes evolution possible.
If you are going to talk nonsense what's the point of talking at all? you might just as well say the great FuFu is responsible because it would be just as meaningless.
 
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And a man wrote that......
Yes, indeed.

A holy man.

A holy man of God.

God's secretary.
SteveB28 said:
Any more?
Yes ... notice what it says ...

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

It isn't effectually working in you, because you don't believe it.

Just as it says.

IOW, you're the confirmation that that verse is the word of God.
 
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Do you want to discuss why this image tells us that there was no worldwide flood?
Believe me ... it's not the image telling you that.

You'd say it anyway.
 
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If you are going to talk nonsense what's the point of talking at all? you might just as well say the great FuFu is responsible because it would be just as meaningless.

At least Hoghead1 knows that life evolved. He is not a total denier of reality.
 
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Believe me ... it's not the image telling you that.

You'd say it anyway.

Wrong again.

By the way, you were using what would best be called "defensive verses". And you falsely used circular logic again. If a person agrees with you they are correct, and if they disagree with you, that was predicted by the verse itself. These sorts of verses are not unique to Christianity. By your logic you need to be a Muslim is someone reads an Islamic defensive verse to you. For some reason I am betting that you can see these verses are false when they are from someone else's religion. Now you need to be able to think clearly enough to see that that applies to the Bible too.
 
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But is he a denier of total reality, like you guys are?

Example: The existence of angels.
Not nice AV. The people on the science side accept reality.

Following it up with an example of your denial of reality is rather ironic.
 
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You're denial of the Bible, which demonstrates that the Bible is the word of God.

What "denial of the Bible"? I have a Bible, it is a real book. You are mistaking my corrections of your interpretation of the Bible for denial. And no, the Bible keeps failing to demonstrate that it is the "word of God" by all of the flaws and errors in it. It may still have a valuable message. It is simply not an article to be worshiped.
 
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And no, the Bible keeps failing to demonstrate that it is the "word of God" ...
You don't get it, do you?

YOU are the demonstration that the Bible is the word of God, by denying Its authority.
 
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You don't get it, do you?

YOU are the demonstration that the Bible is the word of God, by denying Its authority.
Wrong again. The problem is that you can't support your claim that the Bible is the word of God. All you can do is to go around in circles. Now if you have something besides circular logic I will look at it. Until then the failed prophecies, the bad science, the worse morals, and the many self contradictions tell us that the Bible is not the "word of God".
 
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Wrong again. The problem is that you can't support your claim that the Bible is the word of God. All you can do is to go around in circles. Now if you have something besides circular logic I will look at it. Until then the failed prophecies, the bad science, the worse morals, and the many self contradictions tell us that the Bible is not the "word of God".
If you can use the Bible to tell me the Bible isn't the word of God, then I can use the Bible to tell you the Bible is the word of God.

And I'll even throw you into the equation as proof.
 
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If you can use the Bible to tell me the Bible isn't the word of God, then I can use the Bible to tell you the Bible is the word of God.

And I'll even throw you into the equation as proof.
Sorry, you can't. I use the flaws in the Bible to show that it is not logically consistent and therefore cannot be the word of God. One single source cannot prove that it is correct, but by disagreeing with itself it can show that it is wrong.

Here is an example. We have four different numbers a,b,c, and d. We know that c does not equal d. A text would disprove itself if it said at one point that a + b = c and elsewhere that a + b = d. Since we already know that c does not equal d we are saying in effect that a + b does not equal a + b, which leads to a does not equal a and b does not equal b. That is logically inconsistent and there we know that at least one of the premises is wrong
 
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I use the flaws in the Bible ...
Do you consider this a flaw?

2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.


If so, then I submit that you are "trigger happy," and thus your claim that there are flaws in the Bible is not worthy of acceptance.
 
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