No freedom of speech in England.

[rambot]

"A spokesperson from the University of Sheffield said: "The University of Sheffield is concerned that stories in the media about a student undertaking a MA in Social Work are factually incorrect.""

The University is not commenting, since it's on appeal. My guess is that christianheadlines and christianitytoday may not be telling the story in a totally unbiased fashion.

How often do we have this in CF? The same tripe. The same repsonse. The same judgements based on insufficient information leading to the same self righteousness

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Disregard all that. I was just really mad about unrelated things when I psoted that.

Been there, done that. I'd hate to find all the crazy things I've said when I was upset about other things. Just remember that as long as you follow the dictates of your conscience that you will have an ear pointed towards God. I truly think he reaches out to us through that. Say what needs to be said, but always be aware of the way you say things. Sometimes that makes all the difference. Those people who are open to discussion will always appreciate it. Those who are only open to argument will never be, but since you don't matter to them then you shouldn't allow them or their words to take your joy away. They have nothing to replace it with.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

How often do we have this in CF? The same tripe. The same repsonse. The same judgements based on insufficient information leading to the same self righteousness

How many are here because they've pushed everybody else away with the force of that same self-righteousness and then ask yourself why they come here.

This is not a left/right thing and I've seen ideologues on both sides shake their fists and stomp their feet to many a false issue. It has everything to do with how a person sees their polar opposites and nothing to do with God.

It's about love, respect and acting in a dignified manner. The internet grants them the anonymity to forego all that. That is a tragedy and a travesty of the most important abilities that mankind has and that is the ability to communicate. You have a wonderful day. Kevin.

 

[Gadarene]

How often do we have this in CF? The same tripe. The same repsonse. The same judgements based on insufficient information leading to the same self righteousness

Ah yes, an unsourced quotation allegedly from Sheffield Uni, saying that claims about this case are wrong - without saying which cases are wrong or even how.

Yes, that sure is a fine moral high ground from which to call dissenting opinions tripe and self-righteous.

Couldn't be that, yet again, you are the one too quick to take a side based on even less information (a single-sentence, unsourced quotation that doesn't provide any backup for its claims) and are being self-righteous?

No. That would require a modicum of self-awareness

 

[Sistrin]

Why do some people think that freedom means "without any consequence?"

The guy held an opinion others didn't like. Quote:

"The student was told that he was “no longer recognised as a University student" because others might have been offended by his words."

The guy quoted a Bible verse on an online forum not associated with the University in any manner. Some pathetic rat had to bring it to the attention of the University for them to have any idea. As stated he was expelled by the University because of their concern someone somewhere somehow might be offended by a Bible verse.

What consequences should be set as standard for someone who commits the hate-crime of quoting a Bible verse? I mean, it isn't like he called for anyone's death, as did New Hampshire Democrat Keith Halloran, when he posted on Facebook thread that he wished Sarah Palin had been aboard and died on the same plane which Senator Ted Stevens.

It isn't like he called for someone to be hung by someone else's entrails, as did liberal talk-show host Mike Malloy when he said:

"Drudge? Aw, Drudge, somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about 6 feet in the air and watch him bounce."

The university probably would have applauded that.

And it isn't as if he called for the extermination of an entire group of people, as did liberal writer Michale Feingold when he wrote for the Village Voice, quote:

“Republicans don’t believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don’t give a hoot about human beings, either can’t or won’t. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm.”

I mean I know how bad quoting a Bible verse is, how terrible even the thought of a Bible verse is, but it isn't as if this student threatened the life of the President of the United States. As did liberal Democrat Alan Hevesi, New York State Comptroller, when he said fellow Democrat Chuck Schumer was, quote:

"the man who, how do I phrase this diplomatically, who will put a bullet between the President’s eyes if he could get away with it.”

Yep, I sure am glad we have a University like Sheffield out there to police such vile hate speech as posting a Bible verse.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

The guy held an opinion others didn't like. Quote:

"The student was told that he was “no longer recognised as a University student" because others might have been offended by his words."

The guy quoted a Bible verse on an online forum not associated with the University in any manner. Some pathetic rat had to bring it to the attention of the University for them to have any idea. As stated he was expelled by the University because of their concern someone somewhere somehow might be offended by a Bible verse.

What consequences should be set as standard for someone who commits the hate-crime of quoting a Bible verse? I mean, it isn't like he called for anyone's death, as did New Hampshire Democrat Keith Halloran, when he posted on Facebook thread that he wished Sarah Palin had been aboard and died on the same plane which Senator Ted Stevens.

It isn't like he called for someone to be hung by someone else's entrails, as did liberal talk-show host Mike Malloy when he said "Drudge? Aw, Drudge, somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about 6 feet in the air and watch him bounce."

The university probably would have applauded that.

And it isn't as if he called for the extermination of an entire group of people, as did liberal writer Michale Feingold when he wrote for the Village Voice, quote:

“Republicans don’t believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don’t give a hoot about human beings, either can’t or won’t. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm.”

I mean I know how bad quoting a Bible verse is, how terrible even the thought of a Bible verse is, but it isn't as if this student threatened the life of the President of the United States. As did liberal Democrat Alan Hevesi, New York State Comptroller, when he said fellow Democrat Chuck Schumer was, quote:

"the man who, how do I phrase this diplomatically, who will put a bullet between the President’s eyes if he could get away with it.”

Yep, I sure am glad we have a University like Sheffield out there to police such vile hate speech as posting a Bible verse.

It just came to mind that the schools in America have been removing anything that has to do with religion out of fear of being sued by the ACLU. Is there anything like that in the UK and if so, could it be that they are so afraid of getting sued that they would over react towards this person or do you think that it is purely political?

 

[Sistrin]

Equally, if you attend a university, you sign up to their rules. Which evidently forbid spreading homophobic messages.

But that is the point of contention. By what definition does posting a Bible verse in support of someone constitute homophobia? The answer is according to the definition imposed by the liberal left and the homosexual community at large, two groups of people who as a rule simply can not abide dissent in any form. In their world, dissent must be ferreted out and excised and whoever voiced it destroyed. This story is the perfect example of that philosophy put into practice.

 

[Widlast]

A few years ago a distinguished gentleman was charged with a crime for publicly reading the words of Winston Churchill. I wonder if they don't have more freedom of speech in Saudi Arabia.

Nope. There's a fellow there who is going to get several thousand lashes and a few years in prison for posting "atheistic" views.
In Saudi Islamistan you can get beheaded for being too free with your opinions.

 

[Chris B]

A few years ago a distinguished gentleman was charged with a crime for publicly reading the words of Winston Churchill. I wonder if they don't have more freedom of speech in Saudi Arabia.

I had to check on that, because I didn't recall the incident.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...me-ministers-words-Islam-campaign-speech.html

Campaigning for a seat in the European parliament, Paul Weston was arrested in the first place for not moving on ( a dispersal order) when asked to by police, and then for suspicion of of religious or racial harrassment.

The details of what he quoted through a megaphone can be found in the article.
No subsequent action, not even the giving of a caution, was taken concerning the content of his speech.

(Wiki) Police Commissioner Simon Hayes responded to the media coverage on the Hampshire Police and Crime Commission website:

"It has been wrongly suggested that Mr Weston was arrested for reciting passages written by Winston Churchill. I understand he was not welcome outside the Winchester Guildhall, the Police were called and he was asked to move on. I also understand that he was not prepared to move on and was arrested for this reason.

Members of the public are of course at liberty to debate issues of importance to them in private or public spaces. However, there must be a level of decorum and decency."


"

 

[Thursday]

http://www.christianheadlines.com/b...rsity-for-quoting-bible-on-homosexuality.html

It's so sad that years of study and hard work can be wiped out for posting Biblical views on your FB account.

It can happen here too if we keep electing democrats who go on to appoint liberal judges.

 

[Chris B]

A few years ago a distinguished gentleman was charged with a crime for publicly reading the words of Winston Churchill. I wonder if they don't have more freedom of speech in Saudi Arabia.

No, they don't. Nothing like.
Nor in Russia
"Atheist faces a year in prison for saying 'there is no God' during an argument over social media in Russia "
Admittedly he didn't say it that politely.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ying-no-God-argument-social-media-Russia.html

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

No, they don't. Nothing like.
Nor in Russia
"Atheist faces a year in prison for saying 'there is no God' during an argument over social media in Russia "
Admittedly he didn't say it that politely.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ying-no-God-argument-social-media-Russia.html

I didn't read the link because I have to be going. I'm heading home to spoil the heck out of my grand daughter, but I think Russia has a lot of social issues. Putting someone in jail for stating what he thought was the truth is appalling..

 

[Arcangl86]

It can happen here too if we keep electing democrats who go on to appoint liberal judges.

Do you have any evidence showing a tendency to punish private religious expression by liberal judges?

 

[Thursday]

Do you have any evidence showing a tendency to punish private religious expression by liberal judges?

Yes, photographers and cake makers have both been sanctioned and forced out of business for their religious beliefs.

 

[AirPo]

Yes, photographers and cake makers have both been sanctioned and forced out of business for their religious beliefs.

No, they chose their religious beliefs over their responsibilities as business owners and got caught doing it.

 

[Thursday]

No, they chose their religious beliefs over their responsibilities as business owners and got caught doing it.

The government forced these people out of business because they refused to compromise their liberal beliefs.

That's liberalism at work.

 

[AirPo]

The government forced these people out of business because they refused to compromise their liberal beliefs.

That's liberalism at work.

That's not what happened at all. The only things those people were forced to do was to make a choice between their chosen religion and their chosen profession. They chose their religion. That's freedom at work.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

But in the case of a university especially, whether in the U.S. or U.K. or anywhere, the idea of stifling ideas in a place devoted to learning doesn't sit right with me.

The only time (here in the US) where it gets murky is if it's a state-funded college. There have been supreme court cases in which they've ruled that certain entities meet the criteria of "State Actor" at which point, they're required (to a certain degree), to adhere to the 14th amendment (which essentially is an amendment that extends the bill of rights down to the state level).

 

[Thursday]

That's not what happened at all. The only things those people were forced to do was to make a choice between their chosen religion and their chosen profession. They chose their religion. That's freedom at work.

That's what liberals say.

You are proving my point.

 

[AirPo]

That's what liberals say.

Because it's true.

You are proving my point.

Reality has a liberal bias.