No command to keep the Sabbath in the NT...

[k4c]

This is a popular statement among those who have been taught without testing.

Jesus kept the Sabbath and taught much on Sabbath keeping.

The Ten Commandments tells us to remember the seventh day to keep it Holy.

Hebrews 4:9 tells us that there still remains a seventh day rest for the people of God.

Some people are taught to believe this rest in Hebrews 4:9 is a spiritual rest we have in Christ. They have come to this conclusion because of the translators use of the word, rest.

This word, (rest) in this verse is the Greek word, Sabbatismos. This Greek word is the word used for the seventh day Sabbath.

The Greek word used for the rest that Jesus gives us is the Greek word, Anapano.

These are two different words that have two different meanings.

The translator's use of the word, (rest) has misled many people only because they have not tested what they believe.

Now lets read what Hebrews 4:9 literally means.

-- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
Hebrews 4:9 There must still be, therefore, a seventh-day rest reserved for God's people,

What happens if we don't remember to keep the seventh day holy?

The answer is found within the same chapter.

Hebrews 4:9-11 There must still be, therefore, a seventh-day rest reserved for God's people, since to enter the place of rest is to rest after your work, as God did after his. Let us, then, press forward to enter this place of rest, or some of you might copy this example of refusal to believe and be lost.

So as you can see, there is a very clear command to remember to keep the seventh day holy, just as the fourth commandment says.

 

[ricker]

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[Jim Larmore]

Thankyou for this thread. I agree with you 100% on your conclusions here. Some work real hard to not see the 7th day Sabbath correlation in Heb 4 but they do it by ignoring what it really says. Hebrews 4 is multifacited, and it does speak of the rest of God which can be perceived as being apart from only referncing the 7th day Sabbath but of the rest from works to achieve salvation. However, you can't ignore that it speaks of the 7th day Sabbath and it's significance as well. The narrative is unmistakeable.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[DarylFawcett]

I found the information in the OP very interesting and informative.

 

[RND]

This is a popular statement among those who have been taught without testing.

Jesus kept the Sabbath and taught much on Sabbath keeping.

The Ten Commandments tells us to remember the seventh day to keep it Holy.

Hebrews 4:9 tells us that there still remains a seventh day rest for the people of God.

Some people are taught to believe this rest in Hebrews 4:9 is a spiritual rest we have in Christ. They have come to this conclusion because of the translators use of the word, rest.

This word, (rest) in this verse is the Greek word, Sabbatismos. This Greek word is the word used for the seventh day Sabbath.

The Greek word used for the rest that Jesus gives us is the Greek word, Anapano.

These are two different words that have two different meanings.

The translator's use of the word, (rest) has misled many people only because they have not tested what they believe.

Now lets read what Hebrews 4:9 literally means.

-- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
Hebrews 4:9 There must still be, therefore, a seventh-day rest reserved for God's people,

What happens if we don't remember to keep the seventh day holy?

The answer is found within the same chapter.

Hebrews 4:9-11 There must still be, therefore, a seventh-day rest reserved for God's people, since to enter the place of rest is to rest after your work, as God did after his. Let us, then, press forward to enter this place of rest, or some of you might copy this example of refusal to believe and be lost.

So as you can see, there is a very clear command to remember to keep the seventh day holy, just as the fourth commandment says.

I'm gonna cut and paste this every time I need it!

 

[ricker]

This is a popular statement among those who have been taught without testing.

Jesus kept the Sabbath and taught much on Sabbath keeping.

The Ten Commandments tells us to remember the seventh day to keep it Holy.

Hebrews 4:9 tells us that there still remains a seventh day rest for the people of God.

Some people are taught to believe this rest in Hebrews 4:9 is a spiritual rest we have in Christ. They have come to this conclusion because of the translators use of the word, rest.

This word, (rest) in this verse is the Greek word, Sabbatismos. This Greek word is the word used for the seventh day Sabbath.

The Greek word used for the rest that Jesus gives us is the Greek word, Anapano.

These are two different words that have two different meanings.

The translator's use of the word, (rest) has misled many people only because they have not tested what they believe.

Now lets read what Hebrews 4:9 literally means.

-- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
Hebrews 4:9 There must still be, therefore, a seventh-day rest reserved for God's people,

What happens if we don't remember to keep the seventh day holy?

The answer is found within the same chapter.

Hebrews 4:9-11 There must still be, therefore, a seventh-day rest reserved for God's people, since to enter the place of rest is to rest after your work, as God did after his. Let us, then, press forward to enter this place of rest, or some of you might copy this example of refusal to believe and be lost.

So as you can see, there is a very clear command to remember to keep the seventh day holy, just as the fourth commandment says.

Strong's Greek dictionary says:
sabbatismos
Rest
From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.
http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/4520.htm






Another Greek dictionary says :

1. a keeping sabbath
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians

http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4520
Check it out!



Anapano according to Strong's means:
to repose (literally or figuratively (be exempt), remain); by implication, to refresh -- take ease, refresh, (give, take) rest.

This word seems to be used in occasions not always speaking of Jesus.
Check it out!
http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/373.htm


To me Hebrews used a word meaning rest that compares with the rest God had on the seventh day of creation and the seventh day sabbath, while showing it was different. This is why he or she used a derivative instead of the actual "sabbaton" and also why he or she didn't use the word "anapano".
Why wouldn't it say "therefore the "sabbaton" remains for the people of God", if that is what is meant?
I am a little leery of the assertions of your post without some unbiased verification.

I'm no expert, just have a search engine.
God bless! Ricker

 

[RND]

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tɛkst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kon-tekst] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context. 2.the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

There remains, then, a Sabbath‑rest for the people of God; - NIV

So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, - ESV

So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. - NASB

So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God; - RSV

There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. - ASV

there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God, - Young

There remains therefore a Shabbat rest for the people of God. - NHV

So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. - NLT
Footnote:
Or Sabbath rest.

 

[ricker]

a Sabbath‑rest[/b] for the people of God; - NIV

So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, - ESV

So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. - NASB

So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God; - RSV

There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. - ASV

there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God, - Young

There remains therefore a Shabbat rest for the people of God. - NHV

So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. - NLT
Footnote:
Or Sabbath rest.

9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his.

Amen! Does this contradict what Strong's says the words mean?

 

[RND]

Amen! Does this contradict what Strong's says the words mean?

Not if it's not taken out of context.

9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests (ceases) from his own work, just as God did from his.

Rest = katapausis #2663 from katapauw - katapauo 2664; reposing down, i.e. (by Hebraism) abode:--rest. Metaphorically: "the heavenly blessedness in which God dwells, and of which he has promised to make persevering believers in Christ partakers after the toils and trials of life on earth are ended"

In other words, not God's sabbath rest, but resting in His promises. In other, other words, these verses don't negate the sabbath, they confirm it.

 

[ricker]

Not if it's not taken out of context.

Rest = katapausis #2663 from katapauw - katapauo 2664; reposing down, i.e. (by Hebraism) abode:--rest. Metaphorically: "the heavenly blessedness in which God dwells, and of which he has promised to make persevering believers in Christ partakers after the toils and trials of life on earth are ended"

In other words, not God's sabbath rest, but resting in His promises. In other, other words, these verses don't negate the sabbath, they confirm it.

I agree we can't use this to negate the observance of seventh day sabbath by itself. However, the Greek does not uphold the OP which says this passage is a command for seventh day keeping in the NT. Simple as that.
The sabbath rest is very much in effect for the Christian, I think we would all agree. The contested question is if seventh day sabbath observance is still required.

 

[RND]

I agree we can't use this to negate the observance of seventh day sabbath by itself. However, the Greek does not uphold the OP which says this passage is a command for seventh day keeping in the NT. Simple as that.
The sabbath rest is very much in effect for the Christian, I think we would all agree. The contested question is if seventh day sabbath observance is still required.

That's true. So where is another day "suggested" as adequate for seventh-day replacement?

 

[ricker]

That's true. So where is another day "suggested" as adequate for seventh-day replacement?

To be honest, I'm not sure of what the "other day" after the COI entered the promised land is speaking of, unless it is "today", which, as far as I know, is really only spoken of here.

What do you think

"8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day."

means? It's speaking first about the rest of the COI in Cannan, then speaks of God speaking of another day later. What is this other day spoken of by God after Cannan? It can't hardly be the seventh day sabbath that was given before this time.
Thanks! Ricker

 

[k4c]

To be honest, I'm not sure of what the "other day" after the COI entered the promised land is speaking of, unless it is "today", which, as far as I know, is really only spoken of here.

What do you think means? It's speaking first about the rest of the COI in Cannan, then speaks of God speaking of another day later. What is this other day spoken of by God after Cannan? It can't hardly be the seventh day sabbath that was given before this time.
Thanks! Ricker

You will find that many verses in the Bible carry duel meanings. The verses in Hebrews speak of the kingdom of God of which Cannan was a picture of. God also uses the seventh day Sabbath as a picture of the kingdom because it's a time when all of God's people are together worshiping and praising. The people of God were not literally in the kingdom while in Cannan nor are we literally in the kingdom when we gather on the Sabbath but it's a good picture of what it will be like when we are in the kingdom. Since the literal kingdom is still not here therefore there still remains a seventh day Sabbath rest for the people of God.

 

[k4c]

To be honest, I'm not sure of what the "other day" after the COI entered the promised land is speaking of, unless it is "today", which, as far as I know, is really only spoken of here.

What do you think means? It's speaking first about the rest of the COI in Cannan, then speaks of God speaking of another day later. What is this other day spoken of by God after Cannan? It can't hardly be the seventh day sabbath that was given before this time.
Thanks! Ricker

You will find that many verses in the Bible carry duel meanings. The verses in Hebrews speak of the kingdom of God of which Cannan was a picture of. God also uses the seventh day Sabbath as a picture of the kingdom because it's a time when all of God's people are together worshiping and praising. The people of God were not literally in the kingdom while in Cannan nor are we literally in the kingdom when we gather on the Sabbath but it's a good picture of what it will be like when we are in the kingdom. Since the literal kingdom is still not here therefore there still remains a seventh day Sabbath rest for the people of God.

 

[elijahorao]

All authors in the new testament acknowledged the authenticity and authority of the old testament. If any of them were to challenge that authority, don't you think they might make the effort to be clear???
Present day relevence to the fourth commandment is that;

"The fourth command IS to The Father of creation what the fifth commandment is to parents."

If you love your parents you honour them don't you?
If you love your Creator you honour Him don't you???

If you think about it, you will ask;
"Why would anyone even argue about it?"

What's to discuss?
The ten commandments are a 'STAND ALONE DOCUMENT', containing identity of the author as well as the author's authority to claim them.
The Author IS GOD! All other scriptures are men's best efforts at expressing The Spirit of God, THE TEN COMMANDS ARE THE HANDWRITING OF GOD.
Who would want to remove from HIS VERY HANDWRITING, the one command that identifies HIM as The Author? Who would want to do that??
WHY???

 

[ricker]

Originally Posted by ricker

To be honest, I'm not sure of what the "other day" after the COI entered the promised land is speaking of, unless it is "today", which, as far as I know, is really only spoken of here.

What do you think means? It's speaking first about the rest of the COI in Cannan, then speaks of God speaking of another day later. What is this other day spoken of by God after Cannan? It can't hardly be the seventh day sabbath that was given before this time.
Thanks! Ricker
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You will find that many verses in the Bible carry duel meanings. The verses in Hebrews speak of the kingdom of God of which Cannan was a picture of. God also uses the seventh day Sabbath as a picture of the kingdom because it's a time when all of God's people are together worshiping and praising. The people of God were not literally in the kingdom while in Cannan nor are we literally in the kingdom when we gather on the Sabbath but it's a good picture of what it will be like when we are in the kingdom. Since the literal kingdom is still not here therefore there still remains a seventh day Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Thanks, honestly, for your reply. Unless I missed it you have not addressed the "other day".

Another question. Where do you think Hebrews 4 specifically speaks of the recurring seventh day sabbath given in the ten commandments?

1Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith.[a] 3Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
"So I declared on oath in my anger,
'They shall never enter my rest.' "[b] And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. 4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work."[c] 5And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."
6It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience. 7Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts."[d] 8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience

Thanks! Ricker

 

[elijahorao]

The particular verses from Hebrews that you quote are clear. There is a word used there, and the word is 'DAY' and you can read clearly if you want to be specific about 'which day', The day mentioned IS particularly the 'seventh' day. The language is very particular on this matter. There is no need to seek abstracts when the scripture is so specific. For, it/He speaks about "the seventh day".

 

[ricker]

The particular verses from Hebrews that you quote are clear. There is a word used there, and the word is 'DAY' and you can read clearly if you want to be specific about 'which day', The day mentioned IS particularly the 'seventh' day. The language is very particular on this matter. There is no need to seek abstracts when the scripture is so specific. For, it/He speaks about "the seventh day".

Work with me here. Are you referring to verse 4? If so, does it remotely mention the reccuring observance commanded of Israel in Exodus? Seems to me it is referring to a one time rest, as was when God was finished with the creation of the world on the seventh day. If you mean something else, please be more specific. Thanks, Ricker

 

[k4c]

All authors in the new testament acknowledged the authenticity and authority of the old testament. If any of them were to challenge that authority, don't you think they might make the effort to be clear???
Present day relevence to the fourth commandment is that;

"The fourth command IS to The Father of creation what the fifth commandment is to parents."

If you love your parents you honour them don't you?
If you love your Creator you honour Him don't you???

If you think about it, you will ask;
"Why would anyone even argue about it?"

What's to discuss?
The ten commandments are a 'STAND ALONE DOCUMENT', containing identity of the author as well as the author's authority to claim them.
The Author IS GOD! All other scriptures are men's best efforts at expressing The Spirit of God, THE TEN COMMANDS ARE THE HANDWRITING OF GOD.
Who would want to remove from HIS VERY HANDWRITING, the one command that identifies HIM as The Author? Who would want to do that??
WHY???

Spoken from a true child of God....Awesome!

 

[k4c]

Work with me here. Are you referring to verse 4? If so, does it remotely mention the reccuring observance commanded of Israel in Exodus? Seems to me it is referring to a one time rest, as was when God was finished with the creation of the world on the seventh day. If you mean something else, please be more specific. Thanks, Ricker

When man lives outside of God's will there is never any peace. The Bible tells us that the guilty flee when no one is chasing them. When we come to our senses and come to God for forgiveness we find peace, we find that rest that God is speaking of. It's a rest where there is no more hiding from God. It's a rest where there is no condemnation or guilt.

Lets look at some of the thoughts that run through the context of Hebrews.

Hebrews 2:1-3 Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,

Hebrews 3:5-19 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end. Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tested Me, proved Me, and saw My works forty years. Therefore I was angry with that generation, and said, `They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways.' So I swore in My wrath, `They shall not enter My rest.' Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today,'' lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.'' For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:1-7 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest,'' although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works''; and again in this place: "They shall not enter My rest.'' Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "Today,'' after such a long time, as it has been said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.''

Hebrews 4:8-11 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.

This rest we enter into is the rest that Christ provided. It's a finished work just like the finished work when God finished His creation work. We enter this rest through belief in the saving work of Christ but we remain in this rest by keeping our conscience clean before God and man. How we do that is by not hardening our hearts to the voice of God, by not neglecting so great a salvation, by exhorting one another daily, by keeping the commandments of God, by being mindful of sin's deceitfulness. When we continue in this we will remain in His rest.

All throughout the context of Hebrews we hear God referring to the times when His people were in the wilderness when they rebelled and did not listen to the voice of God. Instead they did just the opposite.

Lets go back to that time and see what God was dealing with.

Ezekiel 20:16 because they rejected My ordinances, and as for My statutes, they did not walk in them; they even profaned My sabbaths, for their heart continually went after their idols.

Ezekiel 20:18-21 "But I said to their children in the wilderness, `Do not walk in the statutes of your fathers, nor observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols. `I am the Lord your God: Walk in My statutes, keep My judgments, and do them; `hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.' "Notwithstanding, the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, and were not careful to observe My judgments, `which, if a man does, he shall live by them'; but they profaned My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them and fulfill My anger against them in the wilderness.

Ezekiel 20:23-24 "Also I lifted My hand in an oath to those in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the Gentiles and disperse them throughout the countries, "because they had not executed My judgments, but had despised My statutes, profaned My Sabbaths, and their eyes were fixed on their fathers' idols.

Ezekiel 22:8 "You have despised My holy things and profaned My Sabbaths.

The people of God found blessing in the land of Canna, they found rest from their enemies yet that was not the rest God is speaking of. Even though they had a rest they still kept the Ten Commandments while in Canna. Jesus gives us a spiritual rest just like the physical rest they had in Canna but not to disobey the Ten Commandments. When we rest in Jesus we still have the Ten Commandments as our definition of love and rightousness that we must follow in order to remain in that rest.

Hebrews 4:13 Nothing in creation is hidden before God. To His eyes everything is naked and bare. We must give an answer to God.

Ecclesiaster 12:13-14Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether it is good or whether it is evil.

God is using the seventh day rest as a picture of how the work in Christ is finished and we can enter into the finished work. God is not saying the Sabbath is done away with, He is only using it to give us a picture of how the work in Christ in finished just like the work of creation was finished on the seventh day. The literal seventh day rest of the foruth commamdment is still there for the people of God but you can compare the finished work found in Christ with the finished work of creation.

It's kind of hard to explain, I hope this helped.

Blessings to you...