My attempts at what??? you are the one accusing me of false witnessing, yet I don't see any of that here. I was trying to point out the difference between repentance and salvation, yet you would have to prove I INTENTIONALLY tried to make you say something you didn't. Sheesh, that hasn't happened once, so why don't you just give people the benefit of the doubt that perhaps you were misunderstood? What agenda could that possibly accomplish by me making you seem like you are saying something you aren't when eternal security isn't even the topic of this thread?
Maybe you should ask if that is what someone is saying instead of stating it, it would be alot easier to understand that someone is seeking clarification and compared to it looking like you are saying someone is saying something.
What agenda, that is laughable. How many times have you said that those who believe that homosexuality is a sin have an agenda? I believe I stated what your purpose was.
Again, if you want clarification, ask please.
The only thing in question is the word itself, as it relates to the passage.
I think that is what I said, isn't it?
I stated that most of the article wasn't relevent, but thought it was a good article. I even stated that if someone was doing a study on 1 Corinthians they might find it interesting.
Believe it or not there are more scriptures to study and gain from then those that have to do with homosexuality.
So you would agree, that if you don't repent of every sin, you could still go to heaven, right? as you said you believe that repentance is necessary for the walk, but not for entry to heaven? correct me if I'm wrong so I don't get the "false accusation/false witness" card that you play.
Isn't it neat how a person will know that they are being ask a question, not stating something as fact, if they ask a question?
I would agree that if I sinned just before my death, and before I was able to ask for forgiveness that I still would be saved, and would go to heaven.
I don't agree that someone can refuse to believe that something is a sin, and ask for forgiveness for all other sins but that one. If a person is truely saved, but says they are never convicted of a sin they are doing, well it would be hard to believe that they truely had surrendered to the Lord.
It is real simple Dave, you keep saying that I am saying this or that when I am not. Again, if you are wanting clarification then ask, please. Secondly, I keep reading, on so many post by so many, that if you say homosexuality is a sin you are a hater, a bigot, have an agenda, etc. If someone says that is incorrect we then hear that wasn't meant for you, or why are you making this into something personal?
Lets see, if it is stated that those who believe homosexuality is a sin are haters, etc., and I believe homosexuality is a sin then why is it hard for you to see why a person would take it personal?
Absolutely. Two reasons among many, because there lies the concrete proof that reparative therapy is dangerous (I know you said you don't endorse this), and that change isn't possible.
No, you are right I don't indorse it, and in fact the Great Physician, Saviour, Deliver, King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the only answer in my opinion.
I don't understand your point of bringing that up. I never claimed to you that I was ignorant on the motivations you people have on preaching against gays and lesbians, but I still believe it's wrong.
This right here is why I keep saying the things about false witness. I never said anything about you saying you were ignorant on the motivations.
What I was pointing out was that if in those scriptures we are told not to sue or take to court one another, if we are brothers and sisters in Christ. Then wouldn't it be fair to say that we should let the courts, world, non-believers, etc. decide what is and isn't a sin? Such as votes that are going on in many states to make legal marriages for homosexuals, when God ordains marriages.
Jesus, himself said give to Caesar what belongs to him and to God what is His. There are many things that should be decided by the church (meaning Christ definition not meaning denomination), not the courts/government. It might have been ok when the Kings were annointed by God, by that isn't happening today.
Well, it probably won't happen, but you are entitled to your opinion. People get set in their ways...
So the Lord wouldn't open my eyes to see that I am wrong, because you don't think it has anything to do with prayerful study and prayer, because I am set in my ways?
If that is what you are saying, then boy I sure do waste alot of time everyday studying and praying. Dang and here I could have had a V-8
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I believe the Lord is able not only to help all of us pull away from sins in our lives, but is also able to open eyes to see His truths. Even if a person is set in his ways and not the Lords ways.
What scripture is needed? do you not see the difference between a sex practice in pagan worship such as orgies (Romans 1), and a monogamous life long partnership? What scripture is needed? orgies are wrong in any orientation.
Show me a scripture that tells us that God created different sexual orientations, but only chose to speak of male and female relationships throughout the entire Bible.
Show me the scriptures that say that as long as it is a monogamous life long partnership you can be with anyone you want. When even again the only life long partnership that is spoke of in the entire Bible is male and female.
You are STILL either ignoring the point...gays and lesbians have a natural disposition to the same sex. The passage DOES NOT address "the natural disposition", but of the individual's natural disposition!
I'm not the one ignoring the point, because once again the only natural dispostion spoke of in the entire Bible is between male and female. All other dispostions are called sexual immorality, sin, etc.
Not buying it, there's no proof from this passage that these people "abandoned the sexual orientation that was given to them by Jesus", which implies all were born heterosexual.
You don't have to buy it, just like a person doesn't have to accept the free gift of salvation, that is called free choice. That is what is so neat about God. He could have made us robots. He could have stood over us scaring us all to follow Him, but instead He loved us first, drawing us to Himself. We can come dine with Him or not.
We just have to remember at the end of life we will have to accept what comes with the buying or ot buying stances.
Most common argument of a fundamentalist. Something that is so "obvious" is missed, because one is not saved or is blind. I can easily say that was is obvious is missed too, which is the pagan idolatry is done in mass orgies to a false god, which the historical context in Rome supports.
Some body missed that, your kidding right? I find that hard to believe because all I have ever seen missed was the facts that I have shown so many times.
Romans 1:24-25
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Therefore God
also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
The facts that are missed are the meaning of the word Therefore/Wherefore, and the fact that it says ALSO. Showing that pagan idolatry was the reason (therefore) they were given up to that and (ALSO) to uncleanness, lust of their hearts, etc.
