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No Account from the Dead?

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So this is a question I have been thinking about and I would like if someone can share their belief on this.

We have many accounts of people who were dead and were resurrected. Lazarus is a prime example but there are examples of these instances in both the OT and NT.

If when someone dies, they simply live on in another form and are taken to another place, why is it that will all of these people who were dead and then resurrected, that no one has shared their experience of being taken somewhere? if Lazarus would have shared where he was taken for the 3 - 4 days after his death that would really clear up the confusion of what happens after death.

Or is it that death is really death so the dead have nothing to report after they have been resurrected?
 

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It was different before and after Christ's death. There was the story of the rich man and the poor man, where the rich man abused him and they both died. The poor man saw the rich man burning in agony. He describes a separation between Hell and Abraham's bosom (paradise).

But it's not until after Christ died and atoned for the sins of mankind that humans could enter Heaven straight away. Just like Jesus told the thief on the cross "this day you will be with me in paradise".
 
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It was different before and after Christ's death. There was the story of the rich man and the poor man, where the rich man abused him and they both died. The poor man saw the rich man burning in agony. He describes a separation between Hell and Abraham's bosom (paradise).

But it's not until after Christ died and atoned for the sins of mankind that humans could enter Heaven straight away. Just like Jesus told the thief on the cross "this day you will be with me in paradise".
So where did Lazarus go when he died?
 
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Jonah was speaking metaphorically. He was not actually in hell.
Jon 2:1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
Jon 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Stephen saw this but he was yet alive. After he finally died there was no account. As for Paul, he was not dead.
 
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So where did Lazarus go when he died?
It doesn't describe it, but that doesn't mean he didn't give an account or it didn't happen. Jesus already told the story of the rich ruler and poor man, and many others.
 
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To the righteous people side of Sheol...hell and there is where
the saints waited till Jesus Christ died for our sins.

But this isn't what they believed at the time right. Because Martha said that she believed she would see Lazarus again at the resurrection at the last day, not when she died. And this is what Job said:

Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.
Job 14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Job 14:15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

It seems to be that at least what they believed is that death really meant death in the grave and then at the resurrection men would live again.
 
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So this is a question I have been thinking about and I would like if someone can share their belief on this.

We have many accounts of people who were dead and were resurrected. Lazarus is a prime example but there are examples of these instances in both the OT and NT.

If when someone dies, they simply live on in another form and are taken to another place, why is it that will all of these people who were dead and then resurrected, that no one has shared their experience of being taken somewhere? if Lazarus would have shared where he was taken for the 3 - 4 days after his death that would really clear up the confusion of what happens after death.

Or is it that death is really death so the dead have nothing to report after they have been resurrected?

Look out for YouTube videos concerning people who have had Near Death experiences. The really fascinating ones are not as numerous as the rest of them, but there seem to be relatively few that are fraudulent, or perhaps, not of God. Let me know If you would like some recommendations.

The NDEers who tell their story come from all walks of life, including doctors, even a neurosurgeon. In the best of them, their body-language, often accompanied by tears, is the most impressive testimony to their veracity. Atheists attribute them to dreams, hallucinations, lack of oxygen, etc - all piffle. Decades later, they will remember every detail as if they had occurred the day before. Often their cure was miraculous, inexplicable in terms of modern medical science. With my 'banana-skin' sense of humour, as my wife called it, one of the high points for me is always when they are told, usually by Jesus, that they have to go back, as it is not yet their time ; and they either point-blank refuse at first, or protest vehemently. Jesus is very persuasive, however, and always wins.

Speaking to Martha, Jesus put it this way : “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die.'

The meaning seems to be that, in line with the experiences of NDE'ers, the body dies, but the soul, remaining very much alive, leaves it, without the person realising at first what has happened ; even sometimes looking at their body from a vantage point close to the ceiling and wondering whose body it is.

Catholics believe that most of us are unlikely to go straight to heaven, but will need to be 'cleansed as if by fire,' as Jesus spoke of in the Gospel, in a place that we call Purgatory, which extends from close to hell to the paradise promised to the Good Thief by Jesus from his cross, that very day upon his death. It will be a place where they will be filled of the love of God, but will suffer from a deep remorse for their sins, and will long to be with Him. I'm not sure where the two Judgments come in, but others will surely know. One must be the initial encounter of the chiildren of light with Jesus, when they are said to see a kind of video of their life and are able to get a better understanding of the knock-on effects of their sins causing suffering to others, but also the good acts they had done.
 
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It doesn't describe it, but that doesn't mean he didn't give an account or it didn't happen. Jesus already told the story of the rich ruler and poor man, and many others.

The story of the rich man and lazarus doesn't strike me as something that should be taken literally. Many of the parables that Jesus told were not events that actually happened, but it was to bring out a point. There was never a literal wedding with a bridgeroom at midnight with 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins. Why do we then take this story completely literal. I don't see it that way.
 
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Jonah recalls in a new prayer how God had already
heard his prayer from the belly of hell. Look at the end
of chapter 1 as to when the prayer came at the start
of chapter 2.

Well the end of chapter one says:

Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Chapter 2 starts with:
Jon 2:1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,

Chapter 2 ends with:
Jon 2:10 And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.

I still see the same thing. Jonah was in the fish belly at the start of chapter 2, he expresses his feelings and experience in a very figurative and metaphorical way, then God speaks to the fish and the fish vomits him out. I do not see any evidence that he left the belly of the fish and went to hell. Plus, Jonah never died, he was kept alive in the belly of the fish.
 
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So this is a question I have been thinking about and I would like if someone can share their belief on this.

We have many accounts of people who were dead and were resurrected. Lazarus is a prime example but there are examples of these instances in both the OT and NT.

If when someone dies, they simply live on in another form and are taken to another place, why is it that will all of these people who were dead and then resurrected, that no one has shared their experience of being taken somewhere? if Lazarus would have shared where he was taken for the 3 - 4 days after his death that would really clear up the confusion of what happens after death.

Or is it that death is really death so the dead have nothing to report after they have been resurrected?
Subjects like this within Christianity are much like what Dr. David Berlinski talks about when people are confidently affirming (1 Timothy 1:7) their own statements on just about anything, be it theology or science. "Anecdotes and Hunches"
 
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The bodies will rise again, but the souls from inside never died.

But is that what they believed? I don't think so. If they believed that there was a part of them that would live on and that they would be conscious but in another form, then Martha would have believed she would be with her brother when she died. Job would believe he would live again, just not in his body. Solomon would also not have said that the dead does not know anything because if you're just living on in another form then you're still conscious.

At some point in history the thinking or the belief on this changed. I don't think what the majority of christians believe today about this is what those in the bible believed.
 
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Well the end of chapter one says:

Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Chapter 2 starts with:
Jon 2:1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,

Chapter 2 ends with:
Jon 2:10 And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.

I still see the same thing. Jonah was in the fish belly at the start of chapter 2, he expresses his feelings and experience in a very figurative and metaphorical way, then God speaks to the fish and the fish vomits him out. I do not see any evidence that he left the belly of the fish and went to hell. Plus, Jonah never died, he was kept alive in the belly of the fish.

I actually think Jonah did die and with his dying thoughts prayed as seaweed wrapped around him , the whale swallowed him then vomited him up at the proper place then God brought him back to life ..
 
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I actually think Jonah did die and with his dying thoughts prayed as seaweed wrapped around him , the whale swallowed him then vomited him up at the proper place then God brought him back to life ..

Well I respect that opinion. But don't think there is evidence to support it though from what is stated in the bible.
 
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