NIV vs. KJV

drummer4Him · Dec 28, 2005

and afterwards trying to justify yourself by using a completely new Bible.

oldsage · Dec 28, 2005

drummer4Him said:
and afterwards trying to justify yourself by using a completely new Bible.

in all honesty you are just making assumptions with no support when making a statement like that.

Chris

drummer4Him · Dec 28, 2005

so now the belief of the KJV is referred to as "fanatacism."Hmmmmm.....sounds similar to what they told all of the Christians martyred in the days of ancient Rome.

oldsage · Dec 28, 2005

I just looked up my sig in both versions

KJV Ephesians 6:24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity.

NIV Ephesians 6:24 Grace to all who love our Lord Jesus Christ with an undying love.

seems the NIV here says it best

Chris

Protestante · Dec 28, 2005

OK I spent an hour writing all about the problem you have here drummer. Take the time to read it and you might find that the translation type of KJV, however good, cannot always be taken literally because of idioms used in the time of the KJV and the time the bible was written. Read my previous post and you might understand that the KJV is not the infallible version you make it out to be. If I am sounding harsh, I am sorry for that.

drummer4Him · Dec 28, 2005

yah you just keep trying to trash the KJV oldsage.Just keep going at it.

Jebediah · Dec 28, 2005

drummer4Him said:
yah you just keep trying to trash the KJV oldsage.Just keep going at it.

Wow...just..wow. All pretense of debate or reason or exegesis gone, just good old plain threats. And against another Christian, too. Just...wow.

Some great fruits you got there, yo.

Protestante · Dec 28, 2005

OK I was going to let myself be drawn into this, but Jebediah made me stop before I did that. I've said what needs to be said, and don't understand why such threats are being made over a version of the bible, a version! If you want to be hateful because people dont read the same version as you drummer, then do it, but I'll be praying that you can be less judging in this matter.

I'll just leaving asking myself what could cause such a strong hatred against versions of the bible?

Theophorus · Dec 28, 2005

oldsage said:
I just looked up my sig in both versions

KJV Ephesians 6:24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity.

NIV Ephesians 6:24 Grace to all who love our Lord Jesus Christ with an undying love.

seems the NIV here says it best

Chris

NIV 11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

KJV 11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Fun dueling versions.

drummer4Him · Dec 28, 2005

I was not threatening you or anyone else oldsage but if you can call yourself a Christian and defy the very ones who even gave you opportunity to open an english Bible and read it than pray for yourself,not me.

drummer4Him · Dec 28, 2005

I guess you don't know the difference between a threat and a simple sarcastic jab oldsage.

Aloha Joe · Dec 28, 2005

Anyone have any opinions on Young's Literal Translation?

drummer4Him · Dec 28, 2005

and as for you Jebediah,I didn't see what you had stated but I never threatened anyone so it's really you that's taking this too seriously.

Caissie · Dec 28, 2005

oldsage said:
why?

No scripture, just the way I see things, it looks like the identification (or mark) would be a microchip rather than a tattoo (I could be wrong, but that is the way I see the things falling in place).

Beoga · Dec 28, 2005

drummer4Him said:
I was not threatening you or anyone else oldsage but if you can call yourself a Christian and defy the very ones who even gave you opportunity to open an english Bible and read it than pray for yourself,not me.

But wasn't the Tyndale version the first English version and not the KJV? Also, I believe the Geneva Translation was also in English before the KJV translation.

It should also be noted that just because one disagrees with the KJV Only position, that does not mean that they are trashing on the KJV or even hate the KJV. I would think that all that disagree with the KJV Only Position, like myself, believe that the KJV is a very solid translation among many translations, including the NIV, NASB, ESV, etc.

Also, this is a sad debate because it runs the race of putting the word of God against the word of God. It runs the race of people puting down the word of God in order to demonstrate their position.

I would also recommend this website:
http://aomin.org/kjvo.html

Theophorus · Dec 28, 2005

Aloha Joe said:
Anyone have any opinions on Young's Literal Translation?

It's a decent translation.

chaoschristian · Dec 29, 2005

I've read this thread with great interest. I'm not a Bible scholar, but I've often wondered why some people attach themselves so strongly to particular versions or translations.

Before there was a written Bible (as we understand the concept) how did Christainity survive and thrive? How did it survive in the first sixy years before the writing of the first Gospel? How did it survive in the first three hundred some years before Constantine commanded that a 'Bible' be compiled? And if it could do so, then what does that say about the Bible?

Was the Bible a necessary invention? Could Christianity have survived and flourished without it? Could it thrive and flourish without it today? And if so, then what does that say about these debates over translations?

I do not have answers here, only questions.

It is interesting to observe though that both the 'original Bible' and the KJV were commissioned by heads of state, not so much out of piety or holiness, but to rid themselves of the headache of squabbling Christian theologians.

Jebediah · Dec 29, 2005

chaoschristian said:
I've read this thread with great interest. I'm not a Bible scholar, but I've often wondered why some people attach themselves so strongly to particular versions or translations.

Before there was a written Bible (as we understand the concept) how did Christainity survive and thrive? How did it survive in the first sixy years before the writing of the first Gospel? How did it survive in the first three hundred some years before Constantine commanded that a 'Bible' be compiled? And if it could do so, then what does that say about the Bible?

Was the Bible a necessary invention? Could Christianity have survived and flourished without it? Could it thrive and flourish without it today? And if so, then what does that say about these debates over translations?

I do not have answers here, only questions.

It is interesting to observe though that both the 'original Bible' and the KJV were commissioned by heads of state, not so much out of piety or holiness, but to rid themselves of the headache of squabbling Christian theologians.

Well, I have to say that certain properties of the Bible support the hypothesis that the Bible is intended by God to exist in the canon it exists in. I personally consider scripture and the Holy Spirit when working together to create a type of informative matrix that is itself reactive and alive.

Just my belief, but a lot of the old Jewish scholars agreed with me. The considered they Torah alive.

oldsage · Dec 29, 2005

drummer4Him said:
yah you just keep trying to trash the KJV oldsage.Just keep going at it.

I haven't trashed or tried to trash the KJV, I have only said it isn't my prefered translation.

Chris

oldsage · Dec 29, 2005

Theophorus said:
NIV 11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

KJV 11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Fun dueling versions.

Oh, it would be fun, but there are good and bad in all versions, I like some of the rendering of the KJV over other versions. But I feel that people should read the version they are most comfortable with.

Chris

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