NIV vs. KJV

[drummer4Him]

I am so sick and tired of watered-down,humanized,swindling church theism

 

[grateful heart]

grateful heart,
Show me a nation-wide revival in the prosperous countries and then I might you can prove yourself correct

??? what does this have to do with the subject at hand???

 

[drummer4Him]

Theism is from men,the Bible is from GOD

 

[JimfromOhio]

Theism is from men,the Bible is from GOD

Actually.. the Originals are from God if you know how to read Hebrew, Greek and other languages before the English Bible came along. When I read my Bible, I rely on the Holy Spirit more than I rely on the translations themselves.

 

[Beoga]

What can I expect?This is the last Church age and so many churches in prospering nations are everything but dead.I dont even call them churches anymore,but large organizations seeking after the pleasure money and size in members.
A very "convenient"way of doing this is by the translation of their own Bible.

All because some do not prefer the same translation as you do? Simply pathetic.
Do you use the original 1611 version or one of the more recent revisions of the KJV?

 

[JimfromOhio]

Do you use the original 1611 version or one of the more recent revisions of the KJV?

I have a copy of the Authorized Version 1611, I can't even read that version !!

 

[Caissie]

Caissia is this the same with the NKJV?

No. I would recommend the NKJV if the person just can not stand the "thees and "thous". There are some major differences to be aware of like Rev 14:9 has the mark on the hand instead of in the hand. An error like this could be VERY costly for someone.

 

[Theophorus]

Do you use the original 1611 version or one of the more recent revisions of the KJV?

I have both. The original is not that hard to read, they were just hooked on phonics.

 

[Caissie]

Try Answering These From Your NIV ​

By Rex L. Cobb

INSTRUCTIONS:

Using the New International Version Bible, answer the following questions to this NIV quiz.

Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the Bible verse (not from footnotes but from the text).


Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,__________ them that curse you, ______________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you."


According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon?


According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?


According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?


In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.


In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to: ____________


According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?


According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name?


In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?


In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According to this verse, what did He come to do?


In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?


According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written?


In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?


John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?


What happened each year as told in John 5:4?


In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?


In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?


What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?


Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.


Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What was the chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?


Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.


First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?


In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do?


Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?


Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A______________ and O___________, the _________ and the _______:"

Conclusion: Little space is provided for your answers, but it's much more than needed. If you followed the instructions above, you not only failed the test, you receive a big goose egg.

(Ed. These are all missing in the NIV.) So now what do you think of your "accurate, easy to understand, up to date Bible"?

If you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Try Answering These From Your NIV ​

By Rex L. Cobb

INSTRUCTIONS:

Using the New International Version Bible, answer the following questions to this NIV quiz.

Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the Bible verse (not from footnotes but from the text).


Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,__________ them that curse you, ______________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you."


According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon?


According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?


According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?


In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.


In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to: ____________


According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?


According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name?


In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?


In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According to this verse, what did He come to do?


In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?


According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written?


In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?


John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?


What happened each year as told in John 5:4?


In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?


In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?


What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?


Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.


Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What was the chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?


Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.


First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?


In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do?


Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?


Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A______________ and O___________, the _________ and the _______:"

Conclusion: Little space is provided for your answers, but it's much more than needed. If you followed the instructions above, you not only failed the test, you receive a big goose egg.

(Ed. These are all missing in the NIV.) So now what do you think of your "accurate, easy to understand, up to date Bible"?

If you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible.

Are you a KJV (or NKJV) only believer?

 

[Theophorus]

I am recieved text guy, so KJV, NKJV, and my personal favorite Tyndale's NT all qualify.

 

[God_of_Mercy]

It seems like NIV would make more logical sense to read due to better scholarship these days. But does it really matter?

 

[Theophorus]

It seems like NIV would make more logical sense to read due to better scholarship these days. But does it really matter?

What better scholarship? Plus it is not a very literal translation. And, well...It reads very poorly liturgically.

 

[JimfromOhio]

There have been for years in Christianity on intellectual pride. Superiorism in regards to biblical translations who have no compassion to those who is having a hard time reading KJV. They are called "Stumble Causers". It is grievous for us to cause others to stumble. One of our Great Commission is to disciple Christians the most basic way to know Christ. Teaching Christians to rely onthe Holy Spirit that Good News can be communicated in a linguistically. Christian egoism based on intelligence in relation to other people are determined by class favoritism or by lack of comfort with those of another culture, language, or status whether higher or lower than ours. But whatever triggers favoritism violates brotherly/sisterly love. To avoid causing others to stumble is itself strong incentive to walk by the Spirit.

I don't trust the translations but I do trust the Holy Spirit when I read my bible in any translations or pharaphases.

 

[Lynn73]

What better scholarship? Plus it is not a very literal translation. And, well...It reads very poorly liturgically.

Deleted.

 

[WAB]

I never understood KJV fanaticism.

Well... now you are getting a small taste.

 

[Jebediah]

Huh. Anyone know much about information theory? Without originals we have no way to judge which is the error and which is not, all we know is that there are errors. In a case like this, where there are multiple versions of the same information with the assumption of error, the best thing is to do is look at as many multiple versions as possible and pray, putting your faith in the Holy Spirit to do what is promised and act as the "error correction" in the message transmission.

People who argue about differing versions/translation and try to claim any of them are right usually:

1) only speak one language

2) aren't readers or writers

3) have never read any other ancient texts and seen the vast information decay we see in them. Go try to read some Thales or Heraclitus...and try to judge which set of fragments and translations and copies of copies of copies is more accurate. You can't, you have to look beyond the specific words and look for content and that contents meaning in the context of the whole work.

4) don't do much mathematics or formal logic, where we see exactly how different the exact same information can look when properly manipulated.

The short and long of it is that only information is pure, the representations of it never is. You can't make a perfectly accurate map without simply recreating the territory mapped exactly. The same is true of any other representational methodology, such as a book. In computer programs we have error correction built into the systems to solve this issue, and we with the Holy Spirit have our own error correction system, built right in.

God wants us to know the message. He does not hide it and play games to serve human ego and self-importance. No version is "accurate" because no representation of any data is "accurate"...it can't be. You can't just trust in some group of people to figure it out for you and hand it down, you have to read and pray. The Bible is only half the experience of reading it, the rest is the Holy Spirit.

It has also been pointed out before that, like a hologram, you can remove vast chunks of the Bible and the message still exists, just in less detail. The Law, conviction of sin, Christ, and the good news will still be clear and seen.

The "Evidence Bible" has a "wordless gospel" in the back for witnessing to people who don't speak your language. It isn't "accurate" per se, but people come to Christ through it.

Your position is simply self-involved self-righteousness where somehow you are on better ground with God because you use a particular version of the message. Everyone before coming to Christ is on the exact same ground with God...beloved and in sin and therefore judged. Everyone after coming to Christ is also on the exact same ground with God...beloved and forgiven of sin and therefore freed. That's the point, remember?

 

[GraceInHim]

started with NIV then went to KJV... only use this... the NKJV is much different then the KJV... stick with KJV

 

[Theophorus]

There have been for years in Christianity on intellectual pride. Superiorism in regards to biblical translations who have no compassion to those who is having a hard time reading KJV. They are called "Stumble Causers". It is grievous for us to cause others to stumble. One of our Great Commission is to disciple Christians the most basic way to know Christ. Teaching Christians to rely onthe Holy Spirit that Good News can be communicated in a linguistically. Christian egoism based on intelligence in relation to other people are determined by class favoritism or by lack of comfort with those of another culture, language, or status whether higher or lower than ours. But whatever triggers favoritism violates brotherly/sisterly love. To avoid causing others to stumble is itself strong incentive to walk by the Spirit.

I don't trust the translations but I do trust the Holy Spirit when I read my bible in any translations or pharaphases.

I understand your assertions, but this pigeonholes the word of God into a norrow use. There is nothing elitist in appreciation of care and consideration of abroad use of the scriptures. The accusation flows both ways imo; that the claim of the dificulty of the KJV is insurmountable. In fact, it is the opposite. The KJV is very easy to read, and Tyndale's NT is even easier. Many in the 19th century learned to read and right sudying the KJV, regardless os social status.

The biggest problem though for me is doctrine. The KJV is the most neutral english version of the scriptures to be found.

 

[Latreia]

......Lets see what the NIV did to The Lord's Prayer.

Luke 11:2-4
Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. (KJV)

Father, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread. Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation
(NIV)

Imagine, the Lord's Prayer, nearly omitted, in my opinion. That is enough for me, my United Methodist church uses NIV. No wonder I felt very deeply that some kind of spirit was missing there. For the life of me, I cannot see why it is necessary to omit reverence and piety from the Holy Bible.