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statrei said:For studying what? I don't study the Bible. I spend my every moment studying the Master of the Universe endeavoring to get to know him better. Most of my biblical memory is based on the KJV. I love the clarity of the NIV, the NKJV, and the Message. But I do not base what I believe about the Master on any one version or verse. In the end, if you are a good student which version you use does not matter.
TrustAndObey said:How do you pick which one says the correct thing?
StormyOne said:Its not a matter of correct or incorrect, but a clearer rendering in my opinion. When I took greek my instructor at that time told me if you got enough translations (different ones) you could get a fairly good idea of the ways a text could be translated....
TrustAndObey said:I've found the opposite to be true in my case. When two or more versions say two or more completely different things I become confused. I'm silly like that.
To each his own I guess. I have decided to start studying Greek and Hebrew.
TrustAndObey said:I've found the opposite to be true in my case. When two or more versions say two or more completely different things I become confused. I'm silly like that.
To each his own I guess. I have decided to start studying Greek and Hebrew.
TrustAndObey said:Well majority doesn't always "rule".
Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
I figure I have to eventually learn Hebrew and Greek to know what the Bible really says without any doubts.
But I'm serious, if everybody had the 100 % correct translation on every verse; the exact same Bible in their hands, they still wouldn't agree on what it says.
That's what's so great about our own forum, we don't have to argue with anyone about our doctrine.
StormyOne said:What do you mean when you say you don't have to argue with anyone about our doctrine?
we would discuss because we don't all believe the very same thing across the board.... at least I thought that's what happens when discussion occurs... I could be wrong...I have observed adventists argue over a great many things.... but I have digressed....TrustAndObey said:
We're all Adventists, why would we argue?
TrustAndObey said:
We're all Adventists, why would we argue?
SassySDA said:There should BE no reason for arguing. We should be able to discuss things among brethren without arguing.
I agree though, with what you said about there still being those who wouldn't agree...it astounds me how many different ways people can read scripture and come up with totally different meaning.
StormyOne said:If they appear to say different things then you must consider the possibility that there is more than one way to translate a text. That will be the first lesson in greek. Example: The man's house. or The house of the man. Or The house the man owns. Which is correct? Three different ways, all capturing the same idea... a man has a house.....
I wish you well with your studies.....
StormyOne said:Thanks for your responses.... in all honesty, I was raised to study and question everything, even fundamental beliefs. Not everyone is comfortable with that...
Perhaps it will be best for now if I just lurk... less threatening that way and you can get to know me better....
TrustAndObey said:
Stormy, nobody is asking you to leave. I don't consider you a "threat" at all. I am saying this out of love and respect--I see you more as a one-sided debater. It's awesome that you question everything but when you question our beliefs (and why we believe them) then it's only fair if you lay your viewpoint and references on the table too. Otherwise, and you have to see it from our point of view, it is just you seemingly telling us we're wrong. That's not debate and it's getting us nowhere!
You mentioned us getting into a snit about you questioning a few things. That's just it, I haven't really seen you agree with anyone yet about anything. A defensive wall has been established and if you want it to get broken down, it's very simple. Give us the same opportunity to question YOU.
My favorite quote....NOBODY CARES HOW MUCH YOU KNOW UNTIL THEY KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CARE.
And oh yeah, I'm going to mention it again, you can't come in here without the icon and question everything, even if it's innocent in nature...it's against the rules.
Until we can reach some agreement on the RULES, I think it is probably best not to have any discussions. That's just MY opinion though.
It's days like today that I really miss coffee.
Stormy, I don't like fighting with anyone, and I'm sorry that our initial conversations have been somewhat head-buttish. I would like to start over and see if we can reach some common ground?? What do you say?
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