Nightmares!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Z500]

in general, anyone who says "heavy metal" has no idea what they're talking about, unless they're actually talking about heavy metal.

 

[theFijian]

in general, anyone who says "heavy metal" has no idea what they're talking about, unless they're actually talking about heavy metal.

in general, anyone who says "fishing rods" has no idea what they're talking about, unless they're actually talking about fishing rods.

 

[dElIrIoUsLy:mIcH]

Certainly all Christian music is not "frilly and watered down". I know of bands that do sing pretty deep balads that deal with life issues, if you will. But if Christian music is supposed to sound like the depressing music of the secular world, then what would be its point in being "Christian Music"? Sure the songs you may sing in church on Sunday mornings are fluffy and fizzy, but that doesnt merit making such a generalization.

I dont really see how the whole culture is out of touch. It is out of touch because the Christian "culture" would rather listen to uplifting music that edifies the spirit, instead of secular filth full of blasphemies, swears, sexual suggestions, anger, sadness, and greed, all of which are things that Jesus Christ has delivered us from when he was pierced and hung on the cross?

If you are Christian, how can you say that the Christian culture is out of touch? I dont understand this statement. If you are going to say you are a Christian, and decide that you are going to live your life completely for Christ, then there is no room for compromise.

However, obviously there can be no resolution here. All it is, is food for thought. We can argue it forever, and Gods word will still be Gods word. Honestly, if you are Christian, and you honestly belive God's word to be true, do you not feel a bit of conviction when you are listening to music that is the opposite of His word? Do you honestly not feel so much as a flinch when you hear those swear words in the songs you sing along to?

 

[theFijian]

But if Christian music is supposed to sound like the depressing music of the secular world, then what would be its point in being "Christian Music"?

Read through the Psalms and tell me there aren't any where the writer sounds seriously depressed.

It is out of touch because the Christian "culture" would rather listen to uplifting music that edifies the spirit, instead of secular filth full of blasphemies, swears, sexual suggestions, anger, sadness, and greed, all of which are things that Jesus Christ has delivered us from when he was pierced and hung on the cross?

Please STOP this ridiculous generalising of secular music!

If you are Christian, how can you say that the Christian culture is out of touch?

Easy, the evidence is all around us.

I dont understand this statement.

Then the problem is which your perception of reality.

Honestly, if you are Christian, and you honestly belive God's word to be true, do you not feel a bit of conviction when you are listening to music that is the opposite of His word?

Conviction would imply it is a sin, which listening to secular music is not, in and of itself.

 

[Z500]

in general, anyone who says "fishing rods" has no idea what they're talking about, unless they're actually talking about fishing rods.

if you know absolutely nothing about fishing rods and all the different kinds of them. real heavy metal still exists, but people who don't know anything about metal just call all metal "heavy metal"

 

[Infernal Freak]

Seriously? I think that is so awesome!! I mean...that you actually had experiences like that. I know you're being serious and you didn't like it...but I would love to experience something like that.

I listen to Satanic music. I listen to Slayer, Marilyn Manson...and several other hard bands. Mostly Metal. I am a Satanist.

 

[musicPhan#41]

It's watered down frilly music. The whole culture is out of touch. It's comfortable.
It's an industry of saccharine devotion. All mashed potatoes and no meat.
We live in a land where no one wants to look beyond the cover of the book and "christian" music is no exception. It looks good, has a nice sound we can all clap our hands to, and gives us warm fuzzies when we sing it. But it has little or nothing to say. And such is how life is lived. A smile and a handshake in the foyer. "How are you?" "I'm fine." No one is fine. But the music and happy smiley people will make us nice and cozy for a while.

Meanwhile divorce is through the roof. Drugs and alcohol run rampant. Adultery is a behavior some people try to justify. Our kids get home from church and slice themselves to ribbons, and express all their pain through anonymous internet identities because they can't tell their church "family" how they are really feeling becaus ethey have found that expressing their pain is only met with judgment.
And on and on and on.
Cancel my subscription.

my feelings exactly. great post.

 

[musicPhan#41]

Seriously? I think that is so awesome!! I mean...that you actually had experiences like that. I know you're being serious and you didn't like it...but I would love to experience something like that.

I listen to Satanic music. I listen to Slayer, Marilyn Manson...and several other hard bands. Mostly Metal. I am a Satanist.

uh...

are you... serious?

do you like satan? (that's a serious question)

 

[musicPhan#41]

in general, anyone who says "heavy metal" has no idea what they're talking about

"heavy metal"

 

[dElIrIoUsLy:mIcH]

Okay. . . . . . .

 

[theFijian]

"heavy metal"

You said "heavty metal"....you're in trouble!

 

[Infernal Freak]

Yes musicphan...I do.

 

[wgjones3]

I dont really see how the whole culture is out of touch.

100% of Christian culture isn't out of touch, but a overwhelming majority is. And the sad thing is, they don't realize it.

Jesus told us to be in the world and not of the world. He didn't say we were to set ourselves apart in everything we do and have our own gated communities where we didn't have to experience any temptation to sin or be around any of the ugliness in the world. Quite the contrary, he instructed us to go to the lepors and even did so himself--they were considered the nastiest people on the face of the planet and I'm sure they weren't very holy, I'd imagine they were a foul-mouthed, angry, bitter bunch of people. But Jesus went to them anyway. And when he tells us to go into the world and proclaim the gospel, I think that's what he expects of us. That doesn't mean we have to go to bars and crackhouses but it does mean we should at least give people something relevant besides CDs full of people who talk about how great it is to live a perfect life that most people--even Christians who hear it--think is something they can never achieve.

Myself, I've always thought we did things backwards. We build churches and try to convince people to come there so we can preach about how wrong it is for the unsaved person to commit sin, then once they're saved and join the church we show them unconditional love and turn a blind eye toward any manifestations of sin in their lifestyle and act like the battle's over because they're coming to church every week and we start again working on the unsaved, but I believe we should go outside the church and show the unsaved unconditional love and condemn the sin in the church because, after all, we're the ones who are supposed to know better.

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

your average Jason Mraz.

Hey now, since when is Jason Mraz average

Yeah I can totally see how my listening to the Dave Matthews Band is influencing my nightmares.
YOu know the other night I had a nightmare that my dad showed up at my wedding wearing jeans and a tweed jacket with leather elbow patches.
And we ALL know how often Dave sings about wearing bad clothes to his daughter's wedding

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

"heavy metal"

 

[musicPhan#41]

Hey now, since when is Jason Mraz average

Yeah I can totally see how my listening to the Dave Matthews Band is influencing my nightmares.
YOu know the other night I had a nightmare that my dad showed up at my wedding wearing jeans and a tweed jacket with leather elbow patches.
And we ALL know how often Dave sings about wearing bad clothes to his daughter's wedding

mr. mraz isn't average, but that wasn't my point anyway.



in other news, yo tengo una disco compacto en mis pantalones.

:-/ ?

 

[Z500]

You said "heavty metal"....you're in trouble!

he said "heavy metal", not "heavty metal"

 

[theFijian]

he said "heavy metal", not "heavty metal"

Oh phooey!

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

mr. mraz isn't average, but that wasn't my point anyway.



in other news, yo tengo una disco compacto en mis pantalones.

:-/ ?

Well I dont know Spanish, but I am fluent in French.
Are you trying to tell us you have a compact disc in your pants?

*SOTF refrains from making a joke about the compact thing in Bryce's pants*

 

[BlackLamb]

“Who are you that you should find fault with the servant of another? Whether he stands or falls is a matter which concerns his own master. But stand he will; for the Master can give him power to stand.”

Romans 14:4





Now I hope I’m not out of line here, but there’s something I’d like to say.





I love metal. And I have lived the past six or so years of my life in sometimes absolute torment, overwhelmed with fear. And it really had nothing to do with the music it I listen to. Do you want to know where the torment came from? Listen closely...





The "Christian" books I had previously filled my mind with, by authors like Rebecca Brown and Bob Larson. By authors who claimed metal was satanic, Catholics were satanic, black was satanic, and unicorns and dragons were satanic. I lived in fear (and still do) that I will do something wrong, displease God, allow demonic torment in my life, and suffer. But most of the suffering is just from misguided fear. It got to the point where I was literally obsessive about doing everything perfect so I wouldn't be condemned. I eventually threw these books out. THOSE were the doorways that allowed torment into my life, not metal but in fact “Christian” literature. Now, I don’t know these authors hearts so I cannot make judgment on them, but because of them I get into bouts of doubt and pain.





Please, if this is how you feel convicted, obey God. But don’t waste your time trying to get everyone to agree with you. I enjoy Christian music, but I love secular too. Now, I don’t listen to openly anti-Christian bands like Slayer or Manson, but I do like doom metal and such, and I don’t suffer from nightmares. I recently made a choice to try to listen to happier music so it helps my moods (sad music does indeed bring you down if you’re in a dark place), but sadness is a part of life. Sometimes it’s just as much a good release, an opportunity for a good cry, as it is a burden. If Christian music is blessing you, that’s great! I hope you don’t think I’m telling you you’re wrong. The verse I quoted goes both ways. I cannot tell you what God wants you to do, that is between you and Him. You do what He tells you to do. This just isn’t the case for me though. Keep on looking for the Lord’s guidance, and I hope you continue to feel the presence of Christ in your life.