debiwebi said:
No actually what I saw constantly being said was that God will provide....and the way the message appeared to be coming across at the time when I started this whole thing was that no matter what God will provide even if you are irresponsible....
Well then maybe you should re-read because that is not at all what anyone said here. I know it is NOT what I said at all in this thread. But the problem that comes in here is that what one person thinks is irresponsible the other may not. It all depends on what shoes someone walked in in their life, I think. As Marcia said, there are worse things in the world than growing up poor if you are loved and cared for and I am yet to meet any person who believes they should not be here today because they were poor when they were young in fact I find you turn out much better if you werent indulged. I also know many abused people who value their life in spit of hardships growing up, they have over come and are glad to be alive.
I know me being pregnant again makes some who know me personally think that I am not thinking straight, that the Church is blinding me to reason because I have had too many c-sections in the eyes of many, my mother even asked me, "isn't it illegal to have that many surgeries"?
and a nurse practitioner said that my kids need me, as if to imply that me not using AB/C is killing me.
But in truth, all of my surgeries have gone off with out a hitch, it was the one that wasn't a section I had the trouble with and I have no reason to think this one will be dangerous- it could be but if it were my first I would still run the risk of something going wrong.
Anyway what I am trying to say its it is all in the eye of the beholder because there are those who do discern with the lord and their spouse what is best. I was told after three that I should stop because it was risky and I had no problems at all. Just think if I would have listened, two and one expected would not be here if I believed as they do. So this is what we mean when we say the Lord will provide. We just know when to step out the boat and do things on faith.
So my thoughts way back then were as such that God provides for those that provide for themselves and try to help themselves....meaning we need to take responsibility and be wise in our decisions. Then it went haywire from there.
I agree and said as much but it is between the couple and God what is responsible and what isn't.
Now just because I believe that NFP if used wisely and responsibly and in accordance with the Church (which BTW there is a lot of gray area over) is not necessarily wrong as long as it is NOT used as a form of birth control or contraceptive, and just because I shared my thoughts as to why I believed that way, then I would like to know in heck that is so very wrong?
Nothing, we agreed with you. My problem is who gets to define who is acting irresponsible and who isn't? The case scenarios you bring up are by those who have no religion at all, they do as they wish and actually this is the argument why abortion and ABC just don't work, that it is not the answer because as available as it is, we still are many unwanted un loved uncared for babies, heck in my city we have a safe haven law that if you are giving birth and do not want your child, don't know throw it away in a dump, you can leave it with the hospital, police or fire station no questions asked. This is to stop those who give birth and then throw away the baby. With all this, abortion, BC and laws that will not charge you with abandonment any more, there was a young teen just last month in a middle class neighborhood in the suburbs who threw her baby in the trash. This is a problem that lies in fallen human nature, people have free will and do these things because sin darkens the intellect and they know not what they do. If they did discern and were religious nuts like us, they would not be in the situation in the first place, at we would have a lot less of this, so it isnt the religious nuts like us that are causing the problem of unwanted uncared for kids. IMO.
Or is everyone else around here allowed to express how they feel about it but I am not? And please do tell me if you do not like the way I express myself then how should I express myself in the future so that I do not step on any toes anymore?
But you did not offend me, I was more or less agreeing with you, just pointing out that we can not define for another what is prudent and what is not.
Since I obviously lost all of my tact then please do tell me what I am doing wrong? You all seem to be doing a grand job right now anyway you might as well finish this off.....Oh and if it seems like I am upset ....I am. I have been back 2 days and in both threads I have chosen to actively post in OBOB where BTW my own Brethren are, I have managed to be told by alot of people that I am wrong. Man I seem to have changed an awful lot in one week. I had no idea that a person could change that much in one week.
In Christ
Debi
But I'm not mad at you.
