Or how about "a hand slapping a soft drink out of a human face-forever.""If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
George Orwell.
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Or how about "a hand slapping a soft drink out of a human face-forever.""If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
George Orwell.
It will help because at least people will get extra exercise walking to and from the soda fountain. Sure they're still consuming the same amount of life draining syrup, but at least some of the extra activity will help cancel it out.
It's estimated that diabetes in the US costs us $174 Billion dollars/yr. (Source). That's hardly the only obesity-related medical complication.
Umm... Because the laws say it is. The Constitution gives the federal gov't the right to regulate interstate commerce, and I'm sure if you looked through state constitutions and other municipal charters, you'd find similar language all over the place. Regulating the economy is one of the core functions of gov't.
Medicare and Medicaid are public insurance programs, which are partly funded by state & local money.
Your diet isn't being regulated. Commercial packaging is being regulated.
Yeah, that's fine, but you've bought into the libertarian myth that the consequences of an individual's poor choices don't extend beyond that individual. It's not true. Increased medical expenses, strained medical care capacity, and lost productivity affect all of us. I pay for jumbo's soda habit despite the fact that I go to the gym 6 times a week and eat chicken breast and salad all the time.
It did. But they also had a 64 oz waved in their face for only 25 cents more. Now they won't have that temptation.
It may, but I suspect that people will just reduce their consumption.
More than likely you'd drink all of it.
It doesn't matter how free you are if your will is easily manipulated.
But you're ok with corporation manipulation that doesn't have your best interest at heart?!?
-Dan.
It will help because at least people will get extra exercise walking to and from the soda fountain. Sure they're still consuming the same amount of life draining syrup, but at least some of the extra activity will help cancel some of it out.
Lol
None of this will matter because the law will be a total flop.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7688108-2/#post61400567
Nobody addressed the actual statistics I posted prior, so I figured I'd repost them
The CDC botched their original estimate on the cost and cause of death stats the originally published and admitted it later.
Heart disease and diabetes are related to obesity.
Regardless, even if these problems don't outright kill people, they cause expensive health problems. It wouldn't surprise me if death was actually cheaper.
-Dan.
because people are not easily manipulated.
But the soda makers don’t deserve credit for the invention of supersizing. That distinction belongs to a man named David Wallerstein. Until his death in 1993, Wallerstein served on the board of directors at McDonald’s, but in the fifties and sixties he worked for a chain of movie theaters in Texas, where he labored to expand sales of soda and popcorn — the high-markup items that theaters depend on for their profitability. As the story is told in John Love’s official history of McDonald’s, Wallerstein tried everything he could think of to goose up sales — two-for-one deals, matinee specials — but found he simply could not induce customers to buy more than one soda and one bag of popcorn. He thought he knew why: Going for seconds makes people feel piggish.
Wallerstein discovered that people would spring for more popcorn and soda — a lot more — as long as it came in a single gigantic serving. Thus was born the two-quart bucket of popcorn, the sixty-four-ounce Big Gulp, and, in time, the Big Mac and the jumbo fries, though Ray Kroc himself took some convincing.
Well, making vendors change their selection is making them do something. However, in your same vein, we could not force them to do this, but simply limit their choices by law until it's a natural choice. How about then?There is nothing in this law forcing anybody to do anything, so your suggestion that I may be for forced behavior modification is incorrect.
However it is a great idea to teach kids these things of which you speak. I also recommend that people learn to cook food and cut down on restaurant eating in order to have more control over their sugar, salt and fat intake. All of these things must be used with some physical exercise.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
George Orwell.
The World State's motto, COMMUNITY, IDENTITY, STABILITY.
Till at last the child's mind is these suggestions, and the sum of the suggestions is the child's mind. And not the child's mind only. The adult's mind tooall his life long. The mind that judges and desires and decidesmade up of these suggestions. But all these suggestions are our suggestions!
Every one belongs to every one else.
Every one works for every one else. We can't do without any one. Even Epsilons are useful. We couldn't do without Epsilons. Every one works for every one else. We can't do without any one.
"But I like the inconveniences."
"We don't," said the Controller. "We prefer to do things comfortably."
"But I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness. I want sin."
"In fact," said Mustapha Mond, "you're claiming the right to be unhappy."
"All right then," said the Savage defiantly, "I'm claiming the right to be unhappy."
I'm on board with the rest of what you're saying, but I'm going to have to stop you on this one. People are extremely easy to manipulate. I mean, the entire advertising industry is built around it. Pick up a Psych book sometime.
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In fact, larger cups in one of the major reasons attributed to the success of McDonalds.
Michael Pollan's <em>The Omnivore's Dilemma</em>: A Republic of Fat (Excerpt) | Food, Inc. | POV | PBS
It does bring up an interesting question. Thusfar people have mostly considered the freedom of choice, but could something like this qualify as manipulation?
Yeah, but if you check the figures I provided, not that many people are actually obese. They're setting the bar so low at a 30 BMI for obese and 25 BMI for overweight that it's easy to boost the percentages and create a scare.
If you take a person who's 5 foot 10 inches and 175 pounds, they would be counted in the 'overweight' category. As I mentioned before at 6 foot 2, 190 pounds, I'm in that category.
Is a person who's 6 foot and 220 pounds really a huge burden on the healthcare system?
Studies do show that the relative risk of death among obese people with a Body Mass Index (BMI) at the highest end of the scale (BMI 40) is significantly higher than normal weight people, however studies show that the relative risk of death among overweight people with a BMI of 25-30 is the same as in normal weight people.
And even in the BMI 40 category, there are still people who aren't obese
In fact, larger cups in one of the major reasons attributed to the success of McDonalds.
Michael Pollan's <em>The Omnivore's Dilemma</em>: A Republic of Fat (Excerpt) | Food, Inc. | POV | PBS
One might think that people would stop eating and drinking these gargantuan portions as soon as they felt full, but it turns out hunger doesnt work that way. Researchers have found that people (and animals) presented with large portions will eat up to 30 percent more than they would otherwise. Human appetite, it turns out, is surprisingly elastic
It does bring up an interesting question. Thusfar people have mostly considered the freedom of choice, but could something like this qualify as manipulation?
Hello world government.New York City has recently passed a law restricting the sale of soda beverages to no larger than 16 oz. in all restaurants, mobile food carts, sports arenas and movie theaters.
Goodbye, Big Soda: New York Becomes First City to Ban Large-Sized Soft Drinks | Healthland | TIME.com
Does anyone else think this is insane? This is nanny state taken to the extreme ! No doubt that drinking too much soda can be bad for your health but shouldn't those decisions be left to the individual?
The following link is a really fun piece of satire; However it does raise a serious question of how New York really does intend to enforce this law:
New York City Criminals Finding Ways to Enjoy 32oz & Larger Sodas[bless and do not curse]|[bless and do not curse]GlossyNews.com
THANK YOU! That is exactly what I've been talking about (in this thread and in others on the topic). People will eat more if it's put in front of them, and they're more inclined to just consume one serving, regardless of how big it is. From that link:
Of course it's manipulation.
-Dan.
Chris81 said:New York City has recently passed a law restricting the sale of soda beverages to no larger than 16 oz. in all restaurants, mobile food carts, sports arenas and movie theaters.
Goodbye, Big Soda: New York Becomes First City to Ban Large-Sized Soft Drinks | Healthland | TIME.com
Does anyone else think this is insane? This is nanny state taken to the extreme ! No doubt that drinking too much soda can be bad for your health but shouldn't those decisions be left to the individual?
The following link is a really fun piece of satire; However it does raise a serious question of how New York really does intend to enforce this law:
New York City Criminals Finding Ways to Enjoy 32oz & Larger Sodas[bless and do not curse]|[bless and do not curse]GlossyNews.com
It's not a bad thing that Big Brother can tell us what we can drink? Or what size fries we can order? Big Brother is alive and global.Have you seen the size of the average American?!
I'm not saying that here in Australia it's any better, but seriously, it's not a bad thing!
dollarsbill said:It's not a bad thing that Big Brother can tell us what we can drink? Or what size fries we can order? Big Brother is alive and global.
And we're too ignorant to choose? Are politicians more healthy than the rest of us? Corrupt? Yes. Healthy? No."Big Brother" is your government who is concerned with your health!
They have obviously tried to TELL you that what you are doing is harmful this is just the next step.
Let's compare it to smoking: there was a time when you could smoke anywhere, now it has been limited to certain areas. Eg: not being allowed to smoke indoors.
And that should be my choice. As should be buying a large drink.Edit: If you desperately want another soft drink, purchase another one!