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[RND]

In relation to some conversations I've had with Messianic Jews, both here at CF and at my home church, a new thread has been established so that we can discuss some important theology regarding the ceremonies and feasts.

SDA & Messianic study of the Feasts

Hope everyone will join in.

 

[Jon0388g]

In relation to some conversations I've had with Messianic Jews, both here at CF and at my home church, a new thread has been established so that we can discuss some important theology regarding the ceremonies and feasts.

SDA & Messianic study of the Feasts

Hope everyone will join in.

It's a shame Trust is so busy, she'd love to join in on this!




Jon

 

[TrustAndObey]

I wondered why my ears were burning!

My husband has been studying with a group of Messianics and he has created some wonderful studies on the fall feasts and the true date of Christ's birth. I'll share them eventually if I ever catch my breath.

I start working in a hospital this coming Sunday afternoon. I've learned SO much and I'm looking forward to actually getting to apply this info on something other than a manikin. Bring on the humans!! Once I do start clinicals, I'll have Tuesdays off so I'll see if I can't come by more often.

Miss you guys a lot!

 

[OntheDL]

I've had great experiences fellowshipping with messianics. I'd say they are the most sincere and the most zealous of their faith of any group (SDAs included).

However from my experience, you will never be able to bridge the gap with them on the doctrine that God had replaced the physical Israel with Christian nation at the end of the 70 weeks. Therefore their interpretation on the fall feasts will invariably be focused on the future events(Futurist interpretation).

 

[RND]

Therefore their interpretation on the fall feasts will invariably be focused on the future events(Futurist interpretation).

OntheDL personally I find the shadows of the feasts, especially the fall feasts, in terms what they represent regarding future events to be quite Biblical. They are still shadows of future events.

 

[OntheDL]

OntheDL personally I find the shadows of the feasts, especially the fall feasts, in terms what they represent regarding future events to be quite Biblical. They are still shadows of future events.

Do you believe the Millerites fulfilled the feast of Trumpet and the Adventists fulfilling the Day of Atonement since 1844?

 

[TrustAndObey]

Personally, I think we're LIVING in the Day of Atonement as well.

The feast that no one has shown me (in a satisfactory way) to be fulfilled is the Feast of Tabernacles. Zechariah 14 is good chapter to read on the subject. It raises a lot of questions that no one has been able to answer for me...so I keep searching.

I agree with RND that the feasts were shadows, and that some of them are STILL shadows of things to come. If you have one or more that obviously haven't been fufilled, then to me at least, it means that the Lord still wants us to observe those holy days.

Keep in mind please that I wouldn't even talk about the feasts for a very long time after one bad experience after another of having them shoved at me (online). The fact of the matter is that I do believe God gave me a uneasy feeling about dismissing them altogether.

I also agree with OntheDL that it's hard to get past some of the literality of the Messianic view on prophecy when studying this subject. My husband has had a hard time with that because he does recognize the symbology in scripture and doesn't believe in the literal Israel and literal Babylon in prophecy.

Jon is right that I do enjoy this subject. I think at least for now we should keep this thread here in this forum just for SDAs because the confusion comes in when you add different prophetic views. I hope that made sense.

 

[OntheDL]

Isaiah 25
6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

The Feast of Tabernacle not only remembers the wilderness experience, moreover it points to the deliverance and redemption in the Lord. The first day of the Feast represents the Second Coming. The 7 days represent the 1000 reign. The last day, the Eighth Day of Assembly represents earth made new.

"Well would it be for the people of God at the present time to have a feast of tabernacles,--a joyous commemoration of the blessings of God to them. As the children of Israel celebrated the deliverance that God had wrought for their fathers, and His miraculous preservation of them during their journeyings from Egypt, so should we gratefully call to mind the various ways He has devised for bringing us out from the world, and from the darkness of error, into the precious light of His grace and truth." ---(PP 540-541)

Of all the messianics who told me we should observe the feasts (at least the fall feasts), not one has been able to say HOW? How should we do it if there is no temple on earth, no human high priest and no more sacrifice?

The ceremonial laws and levitical priest hood ended at the cross. The feasts teach us spiritual lessons about the plan of salvation. Lainie, have seen the study on the Feast of Tabernacle in the sanctuary thread?

BTW, how's Linda doing? Getting better?

 

[TrustAndObey]

DL, I think the "how" of observing a feast would be a lot like answering the same sort of question about how to observe the Sabbath.

A lot of people observe the FOT on camping trips, with those tents that have sun roofs. We have to be creative in this day and age I suppose. Obviously there aren't sacrifices anymore and Jesus told the woman by the well (hope I have my story right) that we don't have to go to Jerusalem anymore, but must worship in spirit.

I will check out what you've said about the FOT in the sanctuary thread, but I don't have time to today unfortunately (another night at the hospital).

I haven't ever kept the feasts, so this is just my humble opinion.

Honor still isn't doing well.