New Progressive Adventist Forum

[RC_NewProtestants]

After the last few months I would like to say that our split forums situation has not been very successful. We allow the TSDA troublemakers to say whatever they want on our Subforum and we are restricted from the Traditional Subforum and treated like vermin on the discussion forum.

Right now the Toxic nature of the SDA forum leaves us no other option then to pursue a completely separate forum on CF. I think we can do this and if necessary invite a few new Progressives to join the forum to meet any CF requirements. As it will be separate and therefore not the continuous and often irrational material that we currently see on the Adventist forum.

My previous reasoning that it would be helpful for traditionals to see reasoned responses for their own growth has proved in error. They seem to simply ignore facts and logic. So there is really nothing else to do. And we have lost many of the Progressives because of the antagonism and poor moderation present on the Adventist Forum.

I think a good name for the forum would be Progressive Adventists. I think Sophia is willing to help us form this new forum if we desire it.

What say you? (If you are at TSDA your impute is not needed)

 

[NightEternal]

RC, as you well know, I have been pushing for our own forum for months now. Quite aggressively in fact.

We discussed this on Tall's forum and we tried to get it off the ground. But the problem was that, according to Letalis, we needed a minimum of 20 people for it to be a go. We were unable to get that many on board, even though we tried.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=41540608#post41540608

Remember the petition and appeal to the admin we circulated to all of the formers and Progs?

Also, there seemed to be a consensus of Progs who felt it would be dull discussing issues amongst ourselves. So, I gave up on the crusade.

I say if we can realistically do it, count me in, of course, it is what I have always wanted. But we still have these obstacles facing us.

Also, I don't know if Lee would even give the green light for this.

 

[Sophia7]

I think we may be able to work out something with the membership requirements now. I can't guarantee anything, but I'll help you if you want to pursue a split. And if there's any way that you could recruit more members or convince some who have left to come back, I'm sure that wouldn't hurt your cause.

 

[NightEternal]

Well, are we serious about this or not guys?

Let's do this thing already.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

hello again

Long time no see. I see the drama is still here. you know you know it is sad to see this. you are still fighting the same fights you were fighting last years and you still are as helpless as ever. When are you going to learn? You need to focus on a solution. yes A solution to bring peace to the fourm. HEY here is a solution, BAN Trad froms posting in the Prog sub forum. If they have a problem they can post it in the discussion and debate subforum. The was it was set up was foolish to begin with. it needs to change.

A question to ask yourself WHAT DO YOU WANT THE SUB FORUM TO BE?

1. A SAFE HAVEN FOR PROGS
2. A MEANS OF PROPRAGATION YOUR VIEWS
3. A 2ND DEBATE FORUM?

FIGURE IT OUT AND STOP WHINING ABOUT IT. IT IS SAD. YOU CAN SET IT UP SO THE TRADS CANNOT BOTHER YOU SO SUCK IT UP AND FIX IT OR ACCEPT IT THE WAY IT IS AND KEEP TAKING YOUR BEATING LIKE A BUNCH OF HELPLESS LITTLE CHILDREN.

 

[NightEternal]

Ice, I totally agree with you. I have refused to take a beating from them, and that is why I was banned twice and now a third time it looks like. Defending yourself has a hefty price to pay around here. There is very little I let slide and very few things I will not call a Trad on. Unfortunately, having a backbone means you get gutted by RV's and bans. That's alright. I would rather suffer all those things than let any Trad or Trad mod in this place boss me around or run roughshod over me.

And for the record, I have NEVER wanted to allow Trads in our area. NEVER. I fought for that for the longest time, but I was overruled. And when I tried to get some support for exactly what you are advocating now about five months ago, Daryl locked my thread!

Lock them out

This area was supposed to provide for more allowance and free speech. It was not supposed to be under the auspices of the main forum. It was supposed to be even more open than the D&D subforum.

Is it or is it not?

Because if it is, some Trads are clearly NOT understanding the concept. What good is any of this if we allow them to come in here and report like it's going out of style? Why are we allowing reports to go through to the mods when we specifically laid the groundwork for how this place was supposed to be run from the very beginning?

We need to start locking some people out who are coming in here for only one reason, which is to harass report. Because if I want this sort of grief and annoyance, I can just post in the D&D subforum.

Currently we have no one overseeing this place. When are we going to get a Prog mod in here to start nailing these whining reporters?

http://christianforums.com/t6421370-lock-them-out.html

Almost all of the Progs wanted to allow Trads in here for discussion and chose to let this place be open for anyone who wanted to come in here and do whatever. And when Honor tried to rake me over the coals for supposedly going back on our word that we wanted this place to be open to all, I had to remind her that I was NOT one of the ones who agreed to that:

Night--I have reported you twice--I have no idea who else has reported you and yet you insist on 'punishing' me.

It is someone who is defending you. You can't tell me you don't have any idea who it is!

I wanted for you and I to call a truce--but you wouldn't have it.

There will never be civility let alone a truce as long as you continue to post your inflammitory Trad views in an area that was specifically designed for Prog views and Prog issues!

Maybe I should start posting in here posts promoting Desmond Ford or promoting the liberal Adventist agenda! I would last about a minute and a half before you, Doc, Jon and DL would skin me alive!

I have every right to speak to the issues in the prog area.

But WHY DO YOU WANT TO? YOU HATE THAT AREA (SUPPOSEDLY)!

Night--I cannot understand why you think that that area is strictly YOURS. It is NOT. Just like this area is NOT strictly for trads.

You guys would not tolerate for a moment Prog views being imposed in your Trad area discussions! Why should we tolerate yours??

ANYONE is invited to chat here and we have told you this before.

Yeah, right.

When you all were making the rules for the prog area you bragged about being so opened minded and even WELCOMED debate.

I never welcomed any Trad input in the Prog area! And I have never wanted it!

What I wanted and still want is a SPLIT from you guys and our own forum AWAY FROM YOU and your TSDA intolerance.

And yet-I see that you really didn't mean a word you said. You were not honest about "WHO" was welcome to join you in that area and now you are angry because I post in "YOUR" area.

I have maintained right from the start that I only want PROGS in our area. That is the whole idea of a PROG SUBFORUM isn't it!

I am not responsible for what my Prog colleagues may say or what thier opinion is on this matter however.

Night--as long as I stay within the forum rules I can post ANYWHERE in this SDA forum--I have a RIGHT to do so. I'm sorry if this infuriates you so badly, but fact is fact.

WHY DO YOU WANT TO? YOU HATE OUR AREA, DO NOT CONSIDER US ADVENTISTS AND DESPISE OUR THEOLOGY AND LIBERAL ADVENTIST WORLDVIEW! YOU WANT US OUT OF THE CHURCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! Wow, I would sure like to engage in discussions in an area where I feel that way about the participants and their forum!

Face it. You have one agenda only, and that is to bait and provoke us by derailing and interrupting our dialogues with Trad nonsense!

You can post in here as long as you obey the guidelines. I even told you that you were welcome in here.

You just don't get it, do you? I don't WANT to dialogue in here. I have my own forum where I know my views will be welcomed.

Boy, I sure wish you would take the hint and understand the same thing! Unless of course, you take some masochistic delight in the strong reactions your utra-conservative, intolerant, inflammitory comments about EGW, diet, theology, worship and music gets you when you impose them there!

And you are sorely mistaken if you think I am the only one over there who wishes you were gone from our area. Trust me, I am not! But I am the only one who is bothering to actually say it publicly and to your face.

But I am going to continue to pray for you Night, because I really am concerned for your well being.

Oh please, spare me the melodrama. Just stay out of our area and everything will be peachy!

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=42871799&postcount=5

They wanted an open Prog area. Well, now they have this mess. I hope they are happy.

The sad thing is that some of the same people who pushed to make this place open to all are now wishing the Trads would just get out of here.

So, I won't say I told you so.

Wait, I just did.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

what are you doing about it though?

Have you initatied a rule change to ban them?

NO?

then you are just as quilty?

Have you adopted a progressive MOD

or made it a rule in the Progressive Sub fourm that they must be a progressive to be a mod in the forum?

NO.

Then you are just as quilty.

If the progs wont help themselves then why should we cry for you.

 

[NightEternal]

Ice, I can't do it by myself!! Just because I want a rule to keep them out doesn't mean that everyone else does!

And we had a Prog mod, Stormy, and he resigned because he couldn't handle the Trad nonsense anymore.

FYI: My Resignation....

Thanks for choosing me to act as a mod for this group (progressives) but as of today I have submitted my resignation of that position. I had not planned to make a formal notice but thought I should so that you would not think I had dropped off the face of the earth.

The interaction here remains stress-filled and counter-productive in my opinion and as such I have decided to minimize my exposure to this influence.... I wish you all the best, and may the peace of the Lord go with you.....

Stormy

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=40294530#post40294530

I also backed YOU when you were vying for the mod position. So, I am willing to support anyone who is a nonTSDA who wants the position.

You can't assume that all the Progs are on the same page, because they just AREN'T. Most of them don't even care enough about anything going on here to bother. It's just easier for them to leave and go somewhere else. Which is what you also did BTW!

How am I supposed to work with THAT?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

like alway Night I got your back

You run for mod I will vote you in
you intiate a rule To ban them I will back you up.

I have not seen any thing.

how about this to night you start a thread to for (progressives only) to vote on banning the trads from posting.

Hey why don't you try building a coalition like I did when we used to rule this place. I contcted anumber of people night and we reported abuse. night you are going to have to step up and be the leader not a lone wolf. YOu must take the initatave. Don't wait.
have you contacted RC, MANKIN, FREE, mE, STORMY ANY OF THE OTHER PROGRESSIVES AND TALKED PRIVATELY ABOUT THE. HAVE YOU WORKED BY SENDING OUT PM'S TO ALL THE OTHER THAT HAVE BEEN HERE AND LEFT. COME ON.

 

[freeindeed2]

You all have my support! Let me know what you need.

In CHRIST alone...

 

[NightEternal]

Who am I Moses? Lol!

Ice, I have no desire to be a leader or a mod. Really. I appreciate the endorsement, but that is not something I want.

Besides, right now I am about one mod vote away from being exiled from this place for another month, so...

But believe me when I say that Tall and I tried to get a seperate forum for us a while back when you were gone. We formulated an action plan, submitted an appeal to the mods, got the support of about 8 regulars who signed the petition-but it just fell through.

We did, however, manage to get some new rules stickied, but we fell short of the amount of people we needed to qualify for our own forum.

So, you can thank us for at least getting the rule in place that no Trad mods are allowed to work our reports from this area.