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He created Wine that was old...
Not to argue the question of whether they are as old as the scientific community thinks they are, but i'm not arguing he made them look old. I'm arguing that he is able to make them actually old, and to do it in time that we can only describe as instantaneous.Right, process. It is a process that has a beginning, middle, end. Just like everything else in creation. Why does the premise come up that God made it look old? Because it needs to fit a certain human presumption concerning scripture. Scripture and creation are not at odds. They are both God's. If it's painful to admit that one's preconceived notion doesn't fit the two, oh well. Work it out, but don't make God out to be a liar, a deceiver. If the rocks look old, the simple conclusion is they are. Seriously.
No, It doesn't.
I don't mean to be crass, but this is a sore spot with me.
God's translators in 1611 did not put an "s" on "heaven".
The fact is, God created two more heavens (or "firmaments") later in the Week.
Paul warns about pluralizing words that shouldn't be pluralized.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
But for the record, the Bible does not ... nor never has ... said:
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."
I agree, he made it old. That does not imply 6 days is not accurate.Either way, He made it old.
Why He made it old is known only to Him.
I suspect it has to do with the fact that Adam would have starved to death waiting for his fruit trees to grow.
(Okay ... I get it ... no death before the Fall.)
The universe is old because God created it old.2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:Looking at it from a purely scientific standpoint, however, can lead to the conclusion that it grew old over a period of time.What say you?Is the universe old because God created it old? or is it old because it grew old?
God created Adam as a fully grown adult, rather than as a fetus that went through years of development to full maturity. It follows then that God created the world in the same fashion.
Nothing to suggest it was old wine. It was just very good wine which likely means a nice taste and high amount of alcohol.
Characteristics of a good vintage which cant be created in an instant.
What scripture shows God created Adam as a fully grown adult?
Whether six days or 15 billion years, I really don't care. God can do it, and not be lying nor be symbolic with it.
Of course that can be created in an instant. An entire universe can be created in an instant. A good wine can't?
The universe is old because God created it old.
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Looking at it from a purely scientific standpoint, however, can lead to the conclusion that it grew old over a period of time.
What say you?
Is the universe old because God created it old? or is it old because it grew old?
So is creating age.Creating the appearance of age is one thing,
I agree.... but creating a fake history is something else;
All done on paper by scientists who assume they were long-age processes.... the appearance of billions of years of geological events - continents forming and breaking up, mountains rising and falling, rivers coming and going, and untold billions of creatures living and dying.
So they can keep their jobs? so they can make it look like they're educated? so they can keep their support coming in? because they are influenced by the Muses?Why fake all that?
Yes, He does.Wait... is it 'God Works In Mysterious Ways'?
I'm not one to hold to the notion that death did not happen before sin, nor even necessarily disease, for that matter. I'm pretty sure Adam had a fair notion of what death was for God's proscription against eating of the tree, for Adam to know it had some teeth to it. But spiritual death was first time, I think.If it's 15 billion years old doesn't that mean there was death for 15 billion years, long before man even evolved?
If so why are we told that death is a result of sin? If death is simply a normal part of life that has always been here, what does sin have to do with it?
Romans 5
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
This only makes sense if there was no death at creation-Adam sinned-death started.
So did Adam and Eve live through all that?Continents forming and breaking up, mountains rising and falling, rivers coming and going, and untold billions of creatures living and dying did not occur in the first six days of our universe's history (starting 22 October 4004 BC).
No.So did Adam and Eve live through all that?
Why would God create it old?The universe is old because God created it old.
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Looking at it from a purely scientific standpoint, however, can lead to the conclusion that it grew old over a period of time.
What say you?
Is the universe old because God created it old? or is it old because it grew old?
I'm not sure.Why would God create it old?
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