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[PaaKne]

Hi and its nice to meet you.

Greetings! Welcome to CF.

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Thanks a lot, everybody . Really sorry for my late reply, sunshineforJesus and Uncle Tommy!

 

[PaaKne]

That's interesting about your money system.

I have to say I have never ever heard of 'do a bob' meaning 'stealing'. Maybe it's used in some circles, or perhaps 'street talk' in some areas amongst certain groups of people. I don't know. Totally flummoxed by that, I have to say! Anyhow, I'm certain it's not in general usage...never heard it on television or radio or seen it in a book or newspaper, or heard anyone round and about saying it. Most odd.

What about a picture of one of those "double-valued" coins from the change? https://pics.qxlstatic.no/20_817050...30-skilling-1875-pen-kv-1-uten-kantskader.jpg, 1 krone/30 sk(illing) (The change was January 1st, 1876. However, some coins was needed prepared at that time, and thus you'll find "double- valued" coins also issued in 1875.)

I've heard some nonsense about the English language from man teacher before (e.g that "thou hast" - KJV - was unexisting in English in any book printed later than the 17th century and 1000 of 1000 living i 2014 would not be able to understand anyting) , so I just record one more post. If this is'nt known by native English-speeking more than average interested in their language, clean disk - record new information - period .

 

[tansy]

What about a picture of one of those "double-valued" coins from the change? https://pics.qxlstatic.no/20_817050...30-skilling-1875-pen-kv-1-uten-kantskader.jpg, 1 krone/30 sk(illing) (The change was January 1st, 1876. However, some coins was needed prepared at that time, and thus you'll find "double- valued" coins also issued in 1875.)

I've heard some nonsense about the English language from man teacher before (e.g that "thou hast" - KJV - was unexisting in English in any book printed later than the 17th century and 1000 of 1000 living i 2014 would not be able to understand anyting) , so I just record one more post. If this is'nt known by native English-speeking more than average interested in their language, clean disk - record new information - period .

Wow, that coin's well-preserved How do you mean? The teacher said that basically no-one living in 2014 would be able to understand the KJV, or at least terms like 'thou hast'? Well, if so, he was dead wrong there LOL. There are some words the usage of which has changed a bit, which some people perhaps who don't read a lot or anything might have a little difficulty with (for example the word 'comfortable' has changed to mean something a little different). But basically, most people nowadays wpouold understand most of it.
One would have to go further back than that for English to be pretty unintelligible to most people, unless they've studied it.

 

[PaaKne]

Wow, that coin's well-preserved How do you mean? The teacher said that basically no-one living in 2014 would be able to understand the KJV, or at least terms like 'thou hast'? Well, if so, he was dead wrong there LOL. There are some words the usage of which has changed a bit, which some people perhaps who don't read a lot or anything might have a little difficulty with (for example the word 'comfortable' has changed to mean something a little different). But basically, most people nowadays wpouold understand most of it.
One would have to go further back than that for English to be pretty unintelligible to most people, unless they've studied it.

The coin is very well-preserved, and unforunately not belonging to me (value about 350 USD).

The teacher said exactly so - or rather: First she stated that "thou hast" and "thou shalt" had never existed in the English langugage as long as the language had been English and not something else. As my parents have - and had - KJV in the bookshelf, she rapidly needed to give up that statement, and then she said what I referred. She seems to have an idea that since most - at least at my lazy-going secondary school - immidiately state "don't understand one single word" when asked to read 100 years old Norwegian litterature not "re-written for school use", a text like KJV is non-understandable to native Engish-speaking persons as well. OK, written Norwegian has changed (much) more than written English since 17th century, but my suggestion is that a native English-speaking having fulfilled the secondary school with acceptable marks in English and not just slept through that school has noe real problem reading a text from 17th century - if he/she dont want to have a such problem.

 

[tansy]

The coin is very well-preserved, and unforunately not belonging to me (value about 350 USD).

The teacher said exactly so - or rather: First she stated that "thou hast" and "thou shalt" had never existed in the English langugage as long as the language had been English and not something else. As my parents have - and had - KJV in the bookshelf, she rapidly needed to give up that statement, and then she said what I referred. She seems to have an idea that since most - at least at my lazy-going secondary school - immidiately state "don't understand one single word" when asked to read 100 years old Norwegian litterature not "re-written for school use", a text like KJV is non-understandable to native Engish-speaking persons as well. OK, written Norwegian has changed (much) more than written English since 17th century, but my suggestion is that a native English-speaking having fulfilled the secondary school with acceptable marks in English and not just slept through that school has noe real problem reading a text from 17th century - if he/she dont want to have a such problem.

Exactly...look at William Shakespeare for example, and even earlier than that, Geoffrey Chaucer with his Canterbury Tales...one can certainly get the main meaning, even if some words are less familiar/obsolete - and those one can always look up . I suppose it partly depends on how much one enjoys reading.
Anyhow, I learnt not to trust teachers entirely when I was 5 or 6 and my teacher informed me, basically, that all rocks were grey. I knew for a fact that they weren't, because I'd already seen with my own eyes, rock of all different colours. That is one reason I always listen to what children have to say, because I know that I can get things wrong too.

 

[PaaKne]

Canterbury Tales? I were told from a Norwegian pre-U-student, specializing in English, that they weren't understandable at all unless getting an editon "re-written for school use": (And yes, she expected minium a B in English, A "if the teacher was reasonable when giving his marks".)

All stones grey? Well, larvikitt is black (http://absolonia.com/norsk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/em11xa.jpg), beryll white (http://bloggfiler.no/steingalsteinsamler.blogg.no/images/1929968-8-1428512335004.jpg). amazonite blue (https://sariel.no/media/catalog/pro...25d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/c/ic-stone-0001_1.jpg), fluorite another kind of blie (https://dms-cf-04.dimu.org/image/032s9YeBeDYs?dimension=1200x1200), olivin green (Kömürcüoğlu Group) etc. Not even to a child at five you can expect selling an idea that all stones are grey and still expect to be trusted 100 % later.

A Norwegian saying is that you get the purest truth from the child or the drunken. I do think that I agree.

 

[tansy]

Canterbury Tales? I were told from a Norwegian pre-U-student, specializing in English, that they weren't understandable at all unless getting an editon "re-written for school use": (And yes, she expected minium a B in English, A "if the teacher was reasonable when giving his marks".)

All stones grey? Well, larvikitt is black (http://absolonia.com/norsk/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/em11xa.jpg), beryll white (http://bloggfiler.no/steingalsteinsamler.blogg.no/images/1929968-8-1428512335004.jpg). amazonite blue (https://sariel.no/media/catalog/pro...25d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/c/ic-stone-0001_1.jpg), fluorite another kind of blie (https://dms-cf-04.dimu.org/image/032s9YeBeDYs?dimension=1200x1200), olivin green (Kömürcüoğlu Group) etc. Not even to a child at five you can expect selling an idea that all stones are grey and still expect to be trusted 100 % later.

A Norwegian saying is that you get the purest truth from the child or the drunken. I do think that I agree.

Well, admittedly, the Canterbury Tales I read at school probably was rewritten (to a certain extent). I hadn't thought of that. However, I just Googled it, and read a small excerpt in Middle English, and most of what was there was pretty understandable - but then, I am English. Of course, one problem with older writings is that English spelling wasn't standardised for centuries which perhaps doesn't help LOL.

Yes, there are some beautiful colours in rock (thanks for the links). And I think your Norwegian saying is true! Do you know the story of the Emperor's New Clothes? It takes a child in that story to speak the truth.

 

[PaaKne]

Non-standardized spelling shoudn't excactly be a major problem to Norwegians, as Norwegian has never had a standarized spelling. (Understanding the different Norwegian spelling patterns and which spelling of word A that can/cant't be combined wiht which in word B and C is a study in it's own right and is the perfect way getting foreigners understanding that Norwegian is something more than a quite plain grammar.)

Yes I know the story about the Emperor's New Clothes or "Keiserens nye klær" in Norwegian and "Kejserens nye tøj" i Danish. Written by Mr Hans Christian Andersen, who also became a friend of Charles Dicken. The author from Odense, Denmark, who wrote someting for the adults, but most for the children - 45 stories 1825-1872 (or rather 46, an so far unknown was found about 18 months ago)

 

[sunshineforJesus]

Thanks a lot, everybody . Really sorry for my late reply, sunshineforJesus and Uncle Tommy!

Its ok.