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Hello, brothers and sisters!

First of all: My English is not very good, though hopefully understandable. I've learned the language in school for several years, but beeing Norwegian by birth and conviction, my native language is Norwegian, not English. Expect thus a portion of "Norwenglish".

Then: I'm just turned 16, boy/young man and at present living in Norway (surprice when being a Norwegian..) . Due to my parent's work agreement we'll leave Norway for som years this summer and I'l then attend a pre-university school using English as the sole language (help!)

Both of my parents are Christian, and Christ also became my Saviour between four and five years ago.

Defining our Assembly's place on the "Christianity map" is a bit difficult,but roughly some place between traditional Pentecoastal and Plymonth Breathren. In the local area we are often considered as Plymouth Breathen, but that's not correct. Sharing a lot, but also asking questions about a couple of their doctrines and some of their traditons/practice. (However, the Norwegian Christianity map ist't very intuitive understandable by foreigners, due to DNK, commonly called - and certainly also was until a few years ago - "Statskirken" or "the State Church" (and certainly still 90 % economical dependent on the Government!) . Remember that until 1845 no other churches than DNK was allowed in Norway, until 1892 no person with any other religious beliefs than Christians and (from 1842) Jews were allowed (neighter any burial not under the surveillanse of the local DNK pastor) , and up to about 1920 a DNK member was not allowed participate in a communion gathering outside DNK. Even today most Norwegians consider "the Church" = DNK, and just assume -without any questions - that "Christian" = "member of DNK".)

Stop my talking so far, but feel completely free to ask questions.
 
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Should have mentionend that my nick is Norwegian and the meaning is "on (my) knees". It is taken from the song always used in our family after our morning worship in the home: "På kne framfor Gud i Jesu namn, me byrjar i dag vårt yrke" (litteraly: On our knees before the Lord in the name of Jesus, we today are starting the day's task", "å" is Norwegian "aa" - and seems nearly impossible to pronounce correct for native English-speaking persons, as they get it to a bit to "open" and more like "ou"/"oh") That's also the reason for my avatar picture.
 
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Thank you, faraoukfarouk. God always bless his word - though I don't always understand that immedialtely when he is giving me an instruction or a correction.. .
John 17.17 says: "Thy word is truth"; it also says, "Sanctify them through Thy truth". It's good to know the Word of God; it's even better actually to be sanctified by it.
 
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Hi :). Your English seems pretty good to me ( a couple of spelling mistakes, but then there are plenty of English-speaking people who make spelling mistakes too LOL). Also of course, easy to make typos on the keyboard :D

Thanks a lot, tansy, nice to learn that my English is understandable. I've already noticed a couple of spelling mistakes ("lokal" - Norwegian for "local" - and " economicla" - typo, in which I'm an expert in any language, Norwegian included) and going to correct them as soon as possible.
 
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Thanks a lot, tansy, nice to learn that my English is understandable. I've already noticed a couple of spelling mistakes ("lokal" - Norwegian for "local" - and " economicla" - typo, in which I'm an expert in any language, Norwegian included) and going to correct them as soon as possible.
I reckon you learn a lot of English in school in Norway, right? :)

A pity more English-speaking countries don't learn Norwegian.
 
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I reckon you learn a lot of English in school in Norway, right? :)

A pity more English-speaking countries don't learn Norwegian.

The education in English starts in compulsory education in Norway in grade 3 (average starting age 8) and contiues until Norwegian grade 10 (avererage finishing age 16), into which I'm now. During that period we have about 750 lessens of 45 minutes (ok, theoretical 45 minutes, more like 38-40 minutes)

Well, Norwegian is a languange for about five millon Norwegians and some other nerds, not like English a language used by a billion, The Norwegian grammar is quite easy and forward, but most foreigners learning Norwegian will face two challenges quite soon: a) About XXXXX dialects you don't need to be able to use, but ned to be able to understand before you know Norwegian: In the dialects the word "I" can be "jeg-je-æ-æg-eg-æ-i"-etc (æ=ae) b) Two major ways of spelling Norwegian with XXXX "sub-ways". You should be able to read and understand all, and you can freely choose spelling A or B in word 1, spelling C or D in word to - but not comine A with D or B with C and still write good Norwegian. (All this latter is due to historical reasons.). A recogniced Norwegian "language guru", Mr Vinje, has claimed that technical (written) Norwegian is't a languge - it's a kind of least common mulitplum making persons using the different dialects able to communicate non-oral.

Also a comment to your "Hur staar det till?" on my profil page, as you asked whether this is Danish or Norwegian, and I'm not able - so far at least - to answer direct on that page. Unfortunately is none of these: "Hur" is Swedish, a Dane will use "Hvorledes" and a Norwegian "Hvordan" or "Korleis" (written, the two major form). The rest of the sentence will be similar in Norwegian/Swedish/Danish, but in Swedish "det" (litteraly "that" or "it", a typical Norwegian/Danish "word filler") often will be excluded.
 
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The education in English starts in compulsory education in Norway in grade 3 (average starting age 8) and contiues until Norwegian grade 10 (avererage finishing age 16), into which I'm now. During that period we have about 750 lessens of 45 minutes (ok, theoretical 45 minutes, more like 38-40 minutes)

Well, Norwegian is a languange for about five millon Norwegians and some other nerds, not like English a language used by a billion, The Norwegian grammar is quite easy and forward, but most foreigners learning Norwegian will face two challenges quite soon: a) About XXXXX dialects you don't need to be able to use, but ned to be able to understand before you know Norwegian: In the dialects the word "I" can be "jeg-je-æ-æg-eg-æ-i"-etc (æ=ae) b) Two major ways of spelling Norwegian with XXXX "sub-ways". You should be able to read and understand all, and you can freely choose spelling A or B in word 1, spelling C or D in word to - but not comine A with D or B with C and still write good Norwegian. (All this latter is due to historical reasons.). A recogniced Norwegian "language guru", Mr Vinje, has claimed that technical (written) Norwegian is't a languge - it's a kind of least common mulitplum making persons using the different dialects able to communicate non-oral.

Also a comment to your "Hur staar det till?" on my profil page, as you asked whether this is Danish or Norwegian, and I'm not able - so far at least - to answer direct on that page. Unfortunately is none of these: "Hur" is Swedish, a Dane will use "Hvorledes" and a Norwegian "Hvordan" or "Korleis" (written, the two major form). The rest of the sentence will be similar in Norwegian/Swedish/Danish, but in Swedish "det" (litteraly "that" or "it", a typical Norwegian/Danish "word filler") often will be excluded.
Thanks! Maybe it's because I was in Sweden years ago... :)

I think an area of Sweden today around Bohus used to be in Norway, centuries back.
 
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Quite sure faruokfaruk - and "svorsk" (Swedish-Norwegian) is also commenly heard when Norwegians are trying to talk Swedish and opposite.

So you have been in Sweden? . Vacation or longer? Private or work-related?

Norway and Sweden quarrelled about the boundary for centuries (normally angreed that mountain chain "Kjølen" was the border, but what about those areas outside that chain...), but traditional Bohuslän, Jämtland and Härjedalen was counted as Norwegian until 1660. Then Danmark permanently lost it on the behalf of Norway (Norway was 1397-1814 "voluntary" unified to Denmark) due the one of Danish-Swedish wars.
 
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The education in English starts in compulsory education in Norway in grade 3 (average starting age 8) and contiues until Norwegian grade 10 (avererage finishing age 16), into which I'm now. During that period we have about 750 lessens of 45 minutes (ok, theoretical 45 minutes, more like 38-40 minutes)

Well, Norwegian is a languange for about five millon Norwegians and some other nerds, not like English a language used by a billion, The Norwegian grammar is quite easy and forward, but most foreigners learning Norwegian will face two challenges quite soon: a) About XXXXX dialects you don't need to be able to use, but ned to be able to understand before you know Norwegian: In the dialects the word "I" can be "jeg-je-æ-æg-eg-æ-i"-etc (æ=ae) b) Two major ways of spelling Norwegian with XXXX "sub-ways". You should be able to read and understand all, and you can freely choose spelling A or B in word 1, spelling C or D in word to - but not comine A with D or B with C and still write good Norwegian. (All this latter is due to historical reasons.). A recogniced Norwegian "language guru", Mr Vinje, has claimed that technical (written) Norwegian is't a languge - it's a kind of least common mulitplum making persons using the different dialects able to communicate non-oral.

Also a comment to your "Hur staar det till?" on my profil page, as you asked whether this is Danish or Norwegian, and I'm not able - so far at least - to answer direct on that page. Unfortunately is none of these: "Hur" is Swedish, a Dane will use "Hvorledes" and a Norwegian "Hvordan" or "Korleis" (written, the two major form). The rest of the sentence will be similar in Norwegian/Swedish/Danish, but in Swedish "det" (litteraly "that" or "it", a typical Norwegian/Danish "word filler") often will be excluded.

Well, this is the thing isn't it?
A lot of people say British people ought to learn more languages...but how many can one learn and actually use? I do like languages and learnt French, German and Spanish (though French was the one I learnt most of). Seems to me that as English does seem pretty universally learnt and used (perhaps because of the British Empire and colonianism etc), then that is a good kind of more or less 'international' language.
Centuries ago, Latin was used all over the place, before that ancient Greek. Probably, again, because of empires and trading etc.
I'm sure that if Norwegian or Swahili or whatever became the more dominant language, everyone everywhere would be learning that in school.
 
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tansy, how many languages one can learn and actually use? Mr Skrefsrud (Norwegian thief and prisoner becaming the Santali Missionar and translating the Bible until Santali, read more at Lars Skrefsrud, Norway's Famous Missionary) spoke 42 langugages fluent and "limited" some more. When asked by His Majesty the Danish-Norwegian King Christian IX he learned him that "it depends not on how many languages a person is able to speek, but what the person actually says on those languages".

In the Norwegian compulsory scool English is counted as foreign language 1, German as foreign language 2 and both are compulsory. In additon you should have "a limited knowledge" of a foregin language 3, which often is French, but also may be Spanish, Italin, Russian or something else.

And most interesting: My family and I wisited the Faroese Island -50000 inhabitants - some days. The Faroese langugage is completely understadable for people from at least the western part of Norway if they want to undersand and get som hours to "catch the sound", but I don't think many Norwegian is able to speak Faroese. Norwegian is easily understandable to the people here, as Norwegian is quite similar to their "hard" way of speaking Danish. However, it was nearly impossible to get a lot of people actually speaking Faroes when we met them, and the reason: The felt it impolite speaking their own langugage when we not ansvared in the same language, but in Norwegian and just automatically turned to Danish in a such situation.
 
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Hello, brothers and sisters!

First of all: My English is not very good, though hopefully understandable. I've learned the language in school for several years, but beeing Norwegian by birth and conviction, my native language is Norwegian, not English. Expect thus a portion of "Norwenglish".

Then: I'm just turned 16, boy/young man and at present living in Norway (surprice when being a Norwegian..) . Due to my parent's work agreement we'll leave Norway for som years this summer and I'l then attend a pre-university school using English as the sole language (help!)

Both of my parents are Christian, and Christ also became my Saviour between four and five years ago.

Defining our Assembly's place on the "Christianity map" is a bit difficult,but roughly some place between traditional Pentecoastal and Plymonth Breathren. In the local area we are often considered as Plymouth Breathen, but that's not correct. Sharing a lot, but also asking questions about a couple of their doctrines and some of their traditons/practice. (However, the Norwegian Christianity map ist't very intuitive understandable by foreigners, due to DNK, commonly called - and certainly also was until a few years ago - "Statskirken" or "the State Church" (and certainly still 90 % economical dependent on the Government!) . Remember that until 1845 no other churches than DNK was allowed in Norway, until 1892 no person with any other religious beliefs than Christians and (from 1842) Jews were allowed (neighter any burial not under the surveillanse of the local DNK pastor) , and up to about 1920 a DNK member was not allowed participate in a communion gathering outside DNK. Even today most Norwegians consider "the Church" = DNK, and just assume -without any questions - that "Christian" = "member of DNK".)

Stop my talking so far, but feel completely free to ask questions.
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tansy, how many languages one can learn and actually use? Mr Skrefsrud (Norwegian thief and prisoner becaming the Santali Missionar and translating the Bible until Santali, read more at Lars Skrefsrud, Norway's Famous Missionary) spoke 42 langugages fluent and "limited" some more. When asked by His Majesty the Danish-Norwegian King Christian IX he learned him that "it depends not on how many languages a person is able to speek, but what the person actually says on those languages".

In the Norwegian compulsory scool English is counted as foreign language 1, German as foreign language 2 and both are compulsory. In additon you should have "a limited knowledge" of a foregin language 3, which often is French, but also may be Spanish, Italin, Russian or something else.

And most interesting: My family and I wisited the Faroese Island -50000 inhabitants - some days. The Faroese langugage is completely understadable for people from at least the western part of Norway if they want to undersand and get som hours to "catch the sound", but I don't think many Norwegian is able to speak Faroese. Norwegian is easily understandable to the people here, as Norwegian is quite similar to their "hard" way of speaking Danish. However, it was nearly impossible to get a lot of people actually speaking Faroes when we met them, and the reason: The felt it impolite speaking their own langugage when we not ansvared in the same language, but in Norwegian and just automatically turned to Danish in a such situation.

Oh yes, I know there are some people who can speak loads of languages :). Especially, as in the case you outlined above, it is useful for what they do. But for most people they don't have the time to learn that many. Because I enjoy languages and would love to study linguistics I would love it if I could speak and understand many different ones. However, I'm not that likely to need many of them. I don't intend to travel abroad again and most of the foreigners who live in Britain already know quite a bit of English and if they're living here, it's probably good if they carry on learning it. When I lived abroad, I used to hate it when people would start speaking English where my accent wasn't so good or I couldn't say something properly...because I wanted to be able to speak it better. It was really nice one day when I was in Luxembourg and someone realised my French accent was a bit 'off' and they asked if I came from Belgium :).
Normally in England children have to learn one foreign language at least, but many probably don't learn it that well. At my school 44 years and more ago, we learnt French, German and Latin, and a few of us did Spanish GCE O Level in one year. But that is not necessarily the case nowadays except in some schools. (Some schools they can learn Chinese etc)
 
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