New Kennedy Documents to be released...

[mark kennedy]

It’s called a dyeing declaration, it’s an exception to allow testimony that would otherwise be excluded as hearsay. The testimony isn’t given any more weight than anything else a witness says under oath.

(I am not a lawyer, trust my legal knowledge at your own peril)

I had actually heard that from a lawyer who was discussing the Brigam Young confession of a massacre. In this case it's never going to be used in court but a dying man clearing his conscience cannot be easily dismissed

 

[Tanj]

yeah, death bed confessions are allowed and except from the hearsay rule which in and of itself means they are given more weight than regular testimony.

Well no, it means they are given exactly the same weight as regular testimony

 

[Ana the Ist]

it's been a long time since I've read what convinced me, but IIRC, the whole magic bullet analysis vs injuries Kennedy sustained.

I can't speak to government involvement...certain things make it a possibility. What convinced me of the lone gunman theory was a recreation I watched awhile back. They recreated everything...from the height and angle of the shots to the exact rifle used.

The marksman who shot not only scored the same shots easily...he scored two more. I think the "impossibly" of it is one of those conspiracy theory things that gets exaggerated by laymen who want to believe in conspiracies. It's not much different from those who claimed that the jets crashing into the WTC on 9/11 couldn't possibly have melted the steel beams.

As for the magic bullet...I don't remember exactly how it was explained...but I do remember finding entirely believable. I think it had to do with bullets either breaking upon impact with bone and the fragments hitting others...but I don't remember exactly.

yeah, death bed confessions are allowed and except from the hearsay rule which in and of itself means they are given more weight than regular testimony.

I don't see that as being given more weight...it is what it is...testimony. However, I think one could reasonably argue that the juries themselves lend them more weight even if they're instructed not to do so.

 

[bhsmte]

I had actually heard that from a lawyer who was discussing the Brigam Young confession of a massacre. In this case it's never going to be used in court but a dying man clearing his conscience cannot be easily dismissed

People manufacturing deathbed confessions also cant be dissmissed. Especially considering, the person is no around to confirm what someone claims they stated. Courts call this, hearsay.

 

[mark kennedy]

People manufacturing deathbed confessions also cant be dissmissed. Especially considering, the person is no around to confirm what someone claims they stated. Courts call this, hearsay.

That all depends but it's not like this will ever see a court. A deathbed confession to his son, if it weren't true what would be the point. This guy ends up prosecuted in Watergate, Gerald Ford was on the Warren commission and the is even a picture of him in Dallas. We're not talking random, isolated incidents.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I think you meant, "knight in shining armor".

Yep, I did...lol, I've been trying to use the speech-to-text voice features on my new phone for a few of the posts. Apparently there's still a few kinks with it. I spent a good chunk of time yesterday going back and fixing posts.

I think I'll just stick with typing for the time being

 

[ThatRobGuy]

In court it's considered one of the most reliable testimonies.

That's simply not true...

There are very specific criteria it needs to meet before it's acceptable in court.

Under the Federal Rules of Evidence,[4] a dying declaration is admissible if the proponent of the statement can establish all of the following:

• The declarant’s statement is being offered in a criminal prosecution for homicide, or in a civil action. Some states also permit the admission of dying declarations in other types of case.[citation needed]
• The declarant is unavailable – this can be established using FRE 804(a)(1)-(5).
• The declarant's statement was made while under the genuine belief that his or her death was imminent. The declarant does not have to actually die.
• The declarant's statement relates to the cause or circumstances of what he or she believed to be his or her impending death.

At best, you might be able to say that in some courts, it's given the same weight as a regular testimony. However, to say that it's considered the most reliable is false. Too many human elements involved. You have to prove that the person making the declaration was credible (which, you can't question them further like you would a regular witness so that would be tough), and you have to prove that the person claiming to hear the declaration was being honest about it...and if they were the only one in the room at the time it supposedly happened, that's also tough to prove.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That all depends but it's not like this will ever see a court. A deathbed confession to his son, if it weren't true what would be the point. This guy ends up prosecuted in Watergate, Gerald Ford was on the Warren commission and the is even a picture of him in Dallas. We're not talking random, isolated incidents.

The hobo picture? Might be him.

Why? To increase his own legacy...to give his son a way to profit from it...there are reasons.

 

[mark kennedy]

The hobo picture? Might be him.

Why? To increase his own legacy...to give his son a way to profit from it...there are reasons.

Generally to clear your conscience. His son said what surprised him the most was his dad saying something bad about the government. Now it makes little difference to me because the damage is done and the guilty never answered for their crimes, and wont, at least not in this life.

 

[mark kennedy]

That's simply not true...

There are very specific criteria it needs to meet before it's acceptable in court.

Under the Federal Rules of Evidence,[4] a dying declaration is admissible if the proponent of the statement can establish all of the following:

• The declarant’s statement is being offered in a criminal prosecution for homicide, or in a civil action. Some states also permit the admission of dying declarations in other types of case.[citation needed]
• The declarant is unavailable – this can be established using FRE 804(a)(1)-(5).
• The declarant's statement was made while under the genuine belief that his or her death was imminent. The declarant does not have to actually die.
• The declarant's statement relates to the cause or circumstances of what he or she believed to be his or her impending death.

At best, you might be able to say that in some courts, it's given the same weight as a regular testimony. However, to say that it's considered the most reliable is false. Too many human elements involved. You have to prove that the person making the declaration was credible (which, you can't question them further like you would a regular witness so that would be tough), and you have to prove that the person claiming to hear the declaration was being honest about it...and if they were the only one in the room at the time it supposedly happened, that's also tough to prove.

I actually heard that from a lawyer, never researched it and it's utterly beside the point. It's a bit odd that whether or not it would be admissible is a big deal but what he actually said is of no interest, typical.

 

[Rion]

I’m just waiting to see how Cruz’s dad was involved

I thought the joke was saying he was the Zodiac Killer?

 

[Goonie]

I thought the joke was saying he was the Zodiac Killer?

No it was Cruz accused in a poll in Florida of being Zodiac.

 

[Traveling teacher]

Looks like most on here dont belive in 1 lone gunman....
I have been to the Dealy Plaza a couple 2-3 times ...
And went to the window where oOswall shot his gun...

These are all facts as listedn video!!!!!!
1. Kennedy was shot from the back and lunged forward
2. Kennedy was shot in the front of his head and lunged backward...
3. Pictures of people ducking and pointing to the grassy knoll...

These are other facts from history:

1. Robert kennedy at this time was in a purge of the mafia and had recently. Exiled the mafia boss from New Orleans who had just returned from exile..carlos macello...
Also Oswall had grown up in New Orleans for a few years..

These are not as easily proven
2. Also anoher mob boss .....santo trafficante....miami
Was accused of helping Kennedy in the cuban bay of pigs..
3. The chicago mafia helped keennedy win the election in 1960 by throwing the state of Illinois to kennedy
4. Joeseph kennedy had connections to the mob from the 1930's
5. Both Jack Ruby and Oswall had connections to the mob

If this was true are even partially true that the mob helped kennedy in the bay of pigs cuba battle...or the 1960 election...
Then they would have had every reason to take him out...
As the mofia does not like to be betrayed......

The MOB gets a fall man and then kills the fall man to shut him up...this is typical of the business.....

The only question I have is why did the government cover it up.......????????
Which they obviously did

As a side note Robert Kennedy was also assasinated by the mob?????? IMO. ?.the very night he was on his way to be the democratic presidential candidate!!

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

This one still may be my favorite...not sure if this person was being serious or just being satirical to troll the conspiracy theorists...but for some reason, this one always makes me chuckle.

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I can forgive the map edge. I can forgive having to go by sea, as someone else mentioned. But why did he have to get the date wrong too? 1931?!