Silver Surfer said:So, what are you planing to do in the new earth where the Sabbath will be kept for all eternity ?
(Study Isaiah 66:22,23)
Wound up? Why should I be wound up you only made three false accusations in your post, quoted below. If you have read the Bible many times as you claim perhaps you can explain how you interpret the passages which have been posted, Acts 15, Galatians, and Colossians. Post the pertinent verse and tell us what you think it means, don't just throw other scriptures at the board.
Just asking questions? Is this a question? No it is an accusation, for which you have not posted any proof. "According to the theology of OS and likeminds it must have
What exactly do you mean by law abiding and where is your proof?
More of Kelsay NOT labeling people. Anyone who disagrees with his Judaizing, he accuses them of teaching that people go to hell for following the teaching of God.
KelsayDL said:Don't just throw other verses on the board? You mean like you do? You simply ignore the text, write it off as "mere proof texts taken out of context" anytime anyone rebutts one of your posts.
There is no reason to, it is a waste of time. You are already bent out of shape, I really don't want to engage you further on the issue, but I will, in order to correct a few things I either failed to deliever in a means you could comprehend, or you are just feeling argumentive and "right".
Indeed. Just a simple question, which you have ignored, claiming you have answered it, does not make it so.
OS quotes a scripture from Paul stating that anyone returning to the law is fallen from grace.
I illustrated how the entire early church council at Jerusalem including James, were law abidding saints, that law was the law of God delivered through Moses. IF you chose to ignore that and read some esoteric meaning in to it, then you have done as you willed. But the text is clear, go back and re-examine it.
Acts was written how long after the ascension of Jesus? And yet it clearly shows Peter observing the dietary laws instructed by God. He says no less than three times "Not so Lord, for I have NEVER EATEN ANYTHING COMMON OR UNCLEAN".
Did Peter fall from grace?
There is indisputable proof that long after the death of Jesus, the Jerusalem church kept the dietary laws, and if you read what the scripture says in acts 21, without trying to make it say what you want it to say, you will see clearly that the entire early church rooted in Jerusalem observed the law of God given through Moses. It's crystal clear.
Furthermore, citing OS and his "proof-text" that anyone returning to the law has fallen from grace. Who could be returning to the law? As I already said, the gentiles were never given the law, they could not be returning to the law.
Silver Surfer said:And if God commands a certain day to be observed ?
Is it wise to ignore what God has commanded ?
KelsayDL said:OldShepherd, once again I ask about the following verses;
Isaiah 56:6-
Also, the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant.
What did God mean when he said this? To me, it means any "gentile" who joins himself to the Lord, not to the nation of Israel.
Am I wrong in this regard?
Isaiah 66:23-
And it shall come to pass from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall ALL FLESH come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
When is this particular point in time? It is a time I anxiously await, it has not happened yet has it?
Forgive me earlier, I did join in rather bluntly, as our friend der alter has abundantly pointed out. I did not mean to cause offense, nor shove my view down yours or anyone elses throat.
I have read the entire thread several times, I did not see anywhere these verses were discussed, so if you already entertained them, please show me where. I would really like to hear your take on them.
Silver Surfer said:"I will put my laws (10 commandments) into their minds and write them in their hearts...and I will be a God unto them, and they shall be to me a people", (Hebrews 8:8-10).
The 'New Covenant Christian' will have the Commandments of God upon their hearts and minds...including the 4th commandment, the 7th day Sabbath.
The Sabbath was given only to the children of Israel, NOT to all mankind. The ancient Jews considered any non-Jew who observed the Sabbath as worthy of death.
simchat_torah said:You might want to brush up on your 'ancient Judaism' studies. Those who followed the commandments were called G-d Fearers... or Tzaddik Goy.... righteous Gentiles.
Gentiles who observed the sabbath were honored, and even given a place in the Temple to worship.
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