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Hi all God bless, im a new secret convert from the "religion of peace". I live in one of the most dangerous countries for new converts, Iv accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I cant but believe. I feel blessed after believing and repenting. Iv accepted the Lord Jesus my only way and I read the Holy Bible but I cant get baptized. Its almost impossible here. Do I have to get baptized to complete my faith? also I dont know about different denominations, I dont have good knowledge about them where should I start? sorry if I bothered you but I need to talk to Christian brothers and sisters as I cant talk about anything here in this country im living in.
 

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Hi all God bless, im a new secret convert from the "religion of peace". I live in one of the most dangerous countries for new converts, Iv accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I cant but believe. I feel blessed after believing and repenting. Iv accepted the Lord Jesus my only way and I read the Holy Bible but I cant get baptized. Its almost impossible here. Do I have to get baptized to complete my faith? also I dont know about different denominations, I dont have good knowledge about them where should I start? sorry if I bothered you but I need to talk to Christian brothers and sisters as I cant talk about anything here in this country im living in.

Hello and welcome to CF - and more importantly, welcome to faith!

Baptism is very important and a commandment by God. However, if a person lives in a place where there is no one to baptize them, God will not hold that against a person.

You should seek it if/when you can. But I understand the need for secrecy. Christianity has long and often been in places where that was necessary.

I'll tell you something - where you live, it may be that the Christians that are there are likely Orthodox. According to the ancient Church understanding (which we continue with today) ... any baptized Christian can baptize another person if necessary. They need only use the words "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit". This is traditionally done by dunking a person under the water three times (one for each Person of the Holy Trinity as named) ... but as the Didache (a very Ancient set of Christian instructions) says - if so much water is not available, it can be done by pouring. Such a person baptized this way is always good to go to the Church and have the full Sacrament completed if it's ever possible. But God doesn't want to bar the way and keep people apart from Him, but instead He will give His grace in whatever way(s) possible and however He wants.

So my point is ... if you happen to meet someone who IS Christian, even apart from any Church, you can ask.

Prayers for you. I hope you stay safe. And again, welcome to CF. I hope the site is a blessing to you.

God be with you.
 
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By the way - the best place to inquire into different denominations / churches is probably here:

Christian Communities | Christian Forums

We do have forums like General Theology where everyone posts, but it can be argumentative and confusing. Going in yourself to different groups is much "safer". Just be aware those forums are not for arguing against what the people there believe, but they should welcome you for asking questions.
 
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Hello and welcome,

I'm very happy for you because your life is going to change in amazing ways. The true Christian life is such a huge gift and it's very exciting and fufilling. You will find peace and rest in Jesus in a very real way.

I'm sorry that you live in one of the most dangerous countries for new converts. I've read quite a lot about countries like Saudi Arabia in various biographies and what I have come to understand is that God keeps a special watch and care over his children who are in those circumstances . Most people don't even feel fear once they are secure in the faith and in Gods love. Don't worry about anything. God will lead you. Everything will work out.

Just be assured that God is in control and he will lead you to get baptized and he will open up an opportunity when the time is right. You don't even have to try to make it happen. He will make it happen for you so don't stess about that. It takes a while to get to know how God works when we are brand new in the Christian faith ....but you honestly don't need to worry about anything. This is the biggest gift in becomming a Christian. We don't need to try to figure it all out for ourselves. We just need to pray and ask for the things we need and they will be granted unto us. He is very merciful and the more you ask for help the more he is pleased to provide support.

If you need any friendship please feel free to send me a message and I will be happy to respond.

Have a blessed day!
 
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Hi all God bless, im a new secret convert from the "religion of peace". I live in one of the most dangerous countries for new converts, Iv accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I cant but believe. I feel blessed after believing and repenting. Iv accepted the Lord Jesus my only way and I read the Holy Bible but I cant get baptized. Its almost impossible here. Do I have to get baptized to complete my faith? also I dont know about different denominations, I dont have good knowledge about them where should I start? sorry if I bothered you but I need to talk to Christian brothers and sisters as I cant talk about anything here in this country im living in.
One more thing about the forums in case you're wondering - you will be able to write and respond to private messages as soon as you have 20 posts total. :)

God be with you!
 
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I would suggest looking and studing the writings of the Early Church Fathers, such as Clement of Rome (d,AD 97 Ignatius (d. 110), Polycarp (d. 155), Justin Martyr (d. 165), Irenaeus (d. 202), Cyprian (d. 258), Athanasius (d. 373), Basil (d. 379), Cyril of Jerusalem (d. 386), Ambrose (d. 397), John Chrysostom (d. 407), Jerome (d. 420), Augustine (d. 430), and Cyril of Alexandria (d. 444) to see what Church of today follow the same beliefs/ doctrines of those closest to Christ and His followers.
 
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Hi all God bless, im a new secret convert from the "religion of peace". I live in one of the most dangerous countries for new converts, Iv accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I cant but believe. I feel blessed after believing and repenting. Iv accepted the Lord Jesus my only way and I read the Holy Bible but I cant get baptized. Its almost impossible here. Do I have to get baptized to complete my faith? also I dont know about different denominations, I dont have good knowledge about them where should I start? sorry if I bothered you but I need to talk to Christian brothers and sisters as I cant talk about anything here in this country im living in.

God bless you child. I do not have to ask you where you live as I am very sure I already know.

To answer your question, "Must I be baptized to be saved"?

NO>>>>NO>>>>NO! All you have to do is what you have already done.
BELIEVE upon the Lord Jesus Christ and YOU will be saved.

In Acts 16:30 the jailer asked Paul what he needed to do to be saved and Paul said to him.........
"Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

Paul then said in verse 31..........
"Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Romans 10:9..........
" if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

Do not ever allow anyone to tell you otherwise my child!

God loves YOU and died for you and you do not have to do one single thing to be saved except come to Christ and believe upon Him!

You fell free to PM me anytime you want to if I can help answer any Bible questions for you!!!!
 
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Hi all God bless, im a new secret convert from the "religion of peace". I live in one of the most dangerous countries for new converts, Iv accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I cant but believe. I feel blessed after believing and repenting. Iv accepted the Lord Jesus my only way and I read the Holy Bible but I cant get baptized. Its almost impossible here. Do I have to get baptized to complete my faith? also I dont know about different denominations, I dont have good knowledge about them where should I start? sorry if I bothered you but I need to talk to Christian brothers and sisters as I cant talk about anything here in this country im living in.
Hi! I’m happy to read that you became a Christian! About Baptism, it’s great to get baptized, but it is not required in order to be saved. We get saved first, then get baptized. But right now, we are in a different dispensation than the one Jesus was living. When Jesus was on earth, he was preaching the Kingdom, which involved not only faith, but works, which is baptism. But now that Jesus isn’t on earth right now, we are only saved by faith. Once we repent and call on the name of the Lord, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and cannot lose salvation. We are purchased by his blood on the day of salvation. We cannot get plucked out of his hand. Those who received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ on earth have a little different way of getting saved than us today, who live by faith, not by sight. That is also why not all the books in the NT are for us today, like the book of Hebrews, James, and others. So in short, we don’t need baptism in order to be saved. We are saved first, then we get baptized. But even baptism itself isn’t mandatory. I hope it helps! Take care and God bless!
 
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Hi! I’m happy to read that you became a Christian! About Baptism, it’s great to get baptized, but it is not required in order to be saved. We get saved first, then get baptized. But right now, we are in a different dispensation than the one Jesus was living. When Jesus was on earth, he was preaching the Kingdom, which involved not only faith, but works, which is baptism. But now that Jesus isn’t on earth right now, we are only saved by faith. Once we repent and call on the name of the Lord, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and cannot lose salvation. We are purchased by his blood on the day of salvation. We cannot get plucked out of his hand. Those who received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ on earth have a little different way of getting saved than us today, who live by faith, not by sight. That is also why not all the books in the NT are for us today, like the book of Hebrews, James, and others. So in short, we don’t need baptism in order to be saved. We are saved first, then we get baptized. But even baptism itself isn’t mandatory. I hope it helps! Take care and God bless!

Correctly and well said!
 
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We get saved first, then get baptized...[water] baptism itself isn’t mandatory
Agreed! Baptism is something that believers are commanded to do, but water baptism itself is not salvific.

When Jesus was on earth, he was preaching the Kingdom, which involved not only faith, but works, which is baptism. Those who received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ on earth have a little different way of getting saved than us today, who live by faith, not by sight.
But here I am confused. If those who received the Gospel directly from Jesus were saved by faith + baptism, and we are now saved by faith alone, how were the people of the OT saved, IOW, all of those who lived and died prior to Jesus' 3 year earthly ministry? We know that the sacrifice of all of those millions (billions?) of animals over the years saved no one .. Hebrews 10:4, so are you saying they should have been baptizing people instead?

That is also why not all the books in the NT are for us today, like the book of Hebrews, James, and others.
Which other NT Gospels/Epistles do you consider to be "not for us today"? Also, do you mean that 'parts' of these specific Gospels/Epistles are not for us, or do you mean the books in their entirety? Finally, how do you know this is true, IOW, on what 'basis' do you make this declaration?

Thanks!

Yours and His,
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Hi! I’m happy to read that you became a Christian! About Baptism, it’s great to get baptized, but it is not required in order to be saved. We get saved first, then get baptized. But right now, we are in a different dispensation than the one Jesus was living. When Jesus was on earth, he was preaching the Kingdom, which involved not only faith, but works, which is baptism. But now that Jesus isn’t on earth right now, we are only saved by faith. Once we repent and call on the name of the Lord, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and cannot lose salvation. We are purchased by his blood on the day of salvation. We cannot get plucked out of his hand. Those who received the Gospel directly from Jesus Christ on earth have a little different way of getting saved than us today, who live by faith, not by sight. That is also why not all the books in the NT are for us today, like the book of Hebrews, James, and others. So in short, we don’t need baptism in order to be saved. We are saved first, then we get baptized. But even baptism itself isn’t mandatory. I hope it helps! Take care and God bless!

I would have to disagree with you on the idea that some New Test. books are not for us today.

It is true that some of the books were "directed" toward a certain group for a certain reason but that does not mean that they are NOT FOR US today.
 
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Hi all God bless, im a new secret convert from the "religion of peace". I live in one of the most dangerous countries for new converts, Iv accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I cant but believe. I feel blessed after believing and repenting. Iv accepted the Lord Jesus my only way and I read the Holy Bible but I cant get baptized. Its almost impossible here. Do I have to get baptized to complete my faith? also I dont know about different denominations, I dont have good knowledge about them where should I start? sorry if I bothered you but I need to talk to Christian brothers and sisters as I cant talk about anything here in this country im living in.


Hello New In Him, and welcome. Have you ever studied what the Early Church, and Early Church Fathers have to say in Baptisim? If not.....



The Early Church Fathers on
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Paul alludes to infant baptism when he tells us that baptism replaces circumcision (Colossians 2:11). This is why the early Christians baptized infants on the eighth day after birth. The eighth day after birth is when Jewish boys were circumcised. Those who contend that infants shouldn’t be baptized have a faulty understanding of what baptism is. With baptism there is an infusion of grace. Grace is what enables a child being raised in the faith to understand his or her need for God. Without grace there can be no salvation. That is why the Church links the sacrament of Baptism to it. While Baptism is no guarantee of Salvation the graces received can enable a person to accept God’s free gift. For as the Scripture says: “No one can say, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Corinthians 12:3). If you cannot even do that without the aid of God’s grace you surely can’t see your need for salvation without God’s grace. Note also that the early church administered baptism in three ways; by immersion, sprinkling and pouring.

The Didache

After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Before baptism, let the one baptizing and the one to be baptized fast, as also any others who are able. Command the one who is to be baptized to fast beforehand for one or two days (Didache 7:1 [ca. A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas

Observe there how he describes both the water and the cross in the same figure. His meaning is, “Blessed are those who go down into the water with their hopes set on the cross.” Here he is saying that after we have stepped down into the water, burdened with sin and defilement, we come up out of it bearing fruit, with reverence in our hearts and the hope of Jesus in our souls (11[A.D. 74]).

Hermas

"I have heard, sir,” said I [to the Shepherd], “from some teacher, that there is no other repentance except that which took place when we went down into the water and obtained the remission of our former sins.” He said to me, “You have heard rightly, for so it is” (The Shepherd 4:3:1–2 [A.D. 80]).

Tertullian

When we are about to enter the water — no, just a little before — In the church and under the hand of the bishop, we solemnly profess that we renounce the devil and his pomps and his angels. Thereupon we are immersed three times (The Crown 3:2 [A.D. 211]).

Hippolytus

Where there is no scarcity of water the stream shall flow through the baptismal font or pour into it from above; but if water is scarce, whether on a constant condition or on occasion, then use whatever water is available. Let them remove their clothing. Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D.215]).

Origen

The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of divine sacraments, knew there is in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]).

Cornelius I

As [the heretic Novatian] seemed about to die, he received baptism in the bed where he lay, by pouring. . . . (Letter to Fabius of Antioch 6:43 [A.D. 251]).

Cyprian

As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born" (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

In the saving sacraments, when necessity compels and when God bestows his pardon, divine benefits are bestowed fully upon believers, nor ought anyone be disturbed because the sick are poured upon or sprinkled when they receive the Lord's grace" (Letter to a Certain Magnus 69(76):12 [A.D. 254]).

Gregory Nazianzen

[Besides the baptisms associated with Moses, John, and Jesus] I know also a fourth baptism, that by martyrdom and blood, by which also Christ himself was baptized. This one is far more august than the others, since it cannot be defiled by later sins (Oration 39 On the Holy Lights 17 [A.D. 381]).

Have you an infant child? Do not let sin get any opportunity, but let him be sanctified from his childhood; from his very tenderest age let him be consecrated by the Spirit (Oration 40 On Baptism 17[A.D. 381]).

John Chrysostom

Thus those who are yet Catechumens, because they make this their object, (how they may defer baptism to the last,) give themselves no concern about leading an upright life: and those who have been baptized (fwtisqentes), whether it be because they received it as children, or whether it be that having received it in sickness, and afterwards recovered glory of God), so it is, that neither do these make an earnest business of it (Homily 23 on Acts 10 [A.D. 400]).

Apostolic Constitutions

Do you also baptize your infants, and bring them up in the nurture and admonition of God. For says He: "Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not" (6:15 [A.D. 400]).

Jerome

One thing I will say and so end my discourse, that you ought either to give us a new creed, so that, after baptizing children into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you may baptize them into the kingdom of heaven; or, if you have one baptism both for infants and for persons of mature age, it follows that infants also should be baptized for the remission of sins after the likeness of the transgression of Adam (Against the Pelagians 3:19 [A.D. 417]).

Augustine

Who would not, then, in company with the infants presented for baptism, run to the grace of Christ, that so he might not be dismissed from the body? (City of God 8:4 [A.D. 413-427]).
 
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Hi all God bless, im a new secret convert from the "religion of peace". I live in one of the most dangerous countries for new converts, Iv accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I cant but believe. I feel blessed after believing and repenting. Iv accepted the Lord Jesus my only way and I read the Holy Bible but I cant get baptized. Its almost impossible here. Do I have to get baptized to complete my faith? also I dont know about different denominations, I dont have good knowledge about them where should I start? sorry if I bothered you but I need to talk to Christian brothers and sisters as I cant talk about anything here in this country im living in.
Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ another soul in His Kingdom! Welcome to CF brother New in Him!

Are you part of a house church network or did you come to the Lord just from personal study, reflection and prayer? Are there any other Christians you have contact with locally or in your family?

Baptism can simply be done in faith with another believer. I've known some former Muslims in Iraq who were baptized in bathtubs given doing so in public would be dangerous.

With Baptism you are proclaiming to God and other Christians your faith and willingness to be walk in faith with Christ.

So if you can, let me know your Christian fellowship situation and can advise you on how to proceed.

God Bless you and my family will be praying for you!
 
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Hey fellow brothers and sisters in Christ...Maybe we should be focusing on New in Him's precarious situation. I've served in Muslim countries and his very life is on the line and anyone who fellowships with him. Let's pray for his safety and growth in the Lord. He wants to get baptized and where he is there are no churches to do so and even if there is still a token church or two, by him going there as a convert and not 'born into' that church he will be in great danger.

Let's keep that in mind. Iraqi converts were using bathtubs to get baptized; sneaking out at night to be immersed in the Tigris or Euphrates. We need to consider his situation, which again is very serious.
 
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Hi all God bless, im a new secret convert from the "religion of peace". I live in one of the most dangerous countries for new converts, Iv accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I cant but believe. I feel blessed after believing and repenting. Iv accepted the Lord Jesus my only way and I read the Holy Bible but I cant get baptized. Its almost impossible here. Do I have to get baptized to complete my faith? also I dont know about different denominations, I dont have good knowledge about them where should I start? sorry if I bothered you but I need to talk to Christian brothers and sisters as I cant talk about anything here in this country im living in.

If water baptism is binding to a concerned conscience, I recommend putting on nice cloths, either filling up a tub with water (immersion), or turning on the shower (sprinkling), and going through the spoken rituals (maybe a friend or relative could assist?), using a manual, creed, and or Scripture. But personally I do not agree with binding the conscience to a mode of water baptism, and I lean towards a more symbolic spiritual view, though I recognize the duty of the command and the examples in Scripture, and that it is good for public confession (in your case it sounds impossible). And yet I do not deny that God can (not that He does in every instance) use the ritual and mode of water baptism done through the faith of the elect to regenerate an infant, God does as He wills, and His will in many ways has elements of mystery. More often than not baptism is confirmation of what God has already done in the life of a believer, and symbolic of the spiritual regeneration the work of God alone accomplished through God the Son in the life, death, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Hi all God bless, im a new secret convert from the "religion of peace". I live in one of the most dangerous countries for new converts, Iv accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I cant but believe. I feel blessed after believing and repenting. Iv accepted the Lord Jesus my only way and I read the Holy Bible but I cant get baptized. Its almost impossible here. Do I have to get baptized to complete my faith? also I dont know about different denominations, I dont have good knowledge about them where should I start? sorry if I bothered you but I need to talk to Christian brothers and sisters as I cant talk about anything here in this country im living in.
No, you don't need to be baptized to be a Christian, you believe the gospel and your baptized into Christ. I understand that you probably want to and I'm sure fellowship with other Christians is going to be a problem. Find an online Bible, preferably in a language that your very familiar with. I would recommend the book of Ephesians because it's one of the best for getting that basics down pat. The Gospels are always good and spend some time in the Psalms, prayer right now will be very important.

Grace and peace,
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If water baptism is binding to a concerned conscience, I recommend putting on nice cloths, either filling up a tub with water (immersion), or turning on the shower (sprinkling), and going through the spoken rituals (maybe a friend or relative could assist?), using a manual, creed, and or Scripture. But personally I do not agree with binding the conscience to a mode of water baptism, and I lean towards a more symbolic spiritual view, though I recognize the duty of the command and the examples in Scripture, and that it is good for public confession (in your case it sounds impossible). And yet I do not deny that God can (not that He does in every instance) use the ritual and mode of water baptism done through the faith of the elect to regenerate an infant, God does as He wills, and His will in many ways has elements of mystery. More often than not baptism is confirmation of what God has already done in the life of a believer, and symbolic of the spiritual regeneration the work of God alone accomplished through God the Son in the life, death, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.



First off, and with all due respect, nowhere does the Bible say that Baptism is merely a "symbolic" act...that passage simply does not exist.

Second, let's see what the Bible does say about Baptism:

Ezek 36:25-27, it says, "I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses...a new heart I will give you and a new spirit I will put within you...and I will put My spirit within you..." Here, in the Old Testament, we have a foreshadowing of New Testament baptism.

Now, let's see if the New Testament corresponds to what we just read in Ezekiel. Acts 2:38, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Note that there is no symbolic language here...this is real! The Book of Acts says, "Be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins." Ezekiel says, "I will sprinkle clean water upon you and you shall be clean from your uncleanness." The Book of Acts says, "...and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Ezekiel says: "...and I will put My Spirit within you." Do you begin to see how God, in the Old Covenant, was preparing us for what He gives us in the New Covenant?

Acts 22:16 - "And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins..." 1 Cor 12:13 - "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body..." What body was that? The Body of Christ. 1 Ptr 3:21: "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you..."

Scripture simply does not support the Calvinist notion that Baptism is symbolic. Scripture does very directly and very clearly support the Catholic teaching that Baptism saves us; that Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ; that Baptism washes away sin; and that through Baptism we receive the Holy Spirit...just as the Catholic Church teaches!

Thirdly.... as I presented in my last post, The Early Church and Early Church Fathers also disagree with you. These Fathers were the leaders and teachers of the early Church. They were the immediate successors of the Apostles, i.e. “Apostolic Fathers.” Three of them were disciples of one or more of the Apostles. Clement of Rome was a disciple of the apostles Peter and Paul. Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna were disciples of the Apostle John. Naturally we would expect that those who were personally taught by the Apostles would themselves believe and teach correctly, do you not agree?

I also noticed you like to quote Martin Luther:

"Human nature is like a drunk peasant. Lift him into the saddle on one side, over he topples on the other side." - Martin Luther

Let me post another of his quotes:

"Baptism is no human plaything but is instituted by God himself. Moreover, it is solemnly and strictly commanded that we must be baptized or we shall not be saved. We are not to regard it as an indifferent matter, then, like putting on a new red coat. It is of the greatest importance that we regard baptism as excellent, glorious, and exalted" (Large Catechism 4:6).

By this quote, would you not agree Martin Luther affirmed the necessity of baptism?


Have a Blessed Easter Season




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Hi @New In Him, here are some of the instructions from the Roman Catholic Church about baptism that may be of interest to you (from their own Catechism). The RCC teaches that water baptism is indeed salvific and required (in most cases), but there are exceptions (like I believe yours is). See, in particular, #1259 below.

1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon. In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize, by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes.

1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.

1258 The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament.

1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them of the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament. ~Catholic Church. (2000). Catechism of the Catholic Church (2nd Ed., p. 321). Washington, DC: United States Catholic Conference.

The RCC obviously holds water baptism in very high regard, but it would be both incorrect and cruel for them to say that God will not save a catechumen (a true believer) who at least "intended" to be baptized :preach: (and to their credit, they make this point clear in the CCC and elsewhere :oldthumbsup:)

So don't worry about being baptized immediately, as if your eternal life depended upon it, because it does not! When your situation and safety permits it however (IOW, when the opportunity to be baptized presents itself to you and it doesn't mean your freedom and/or you life may be in jeopardy because of it), it is a very important command of God that should be followed by all who believe and have not been baptized.

Just FYI, here is what the Westminster Confession of Faith (which is one of the principle Protestant confessions) has to say about water baptism (in part):

Westminster Confession of Faith
Chapter XXVIII

Baptism is a sacrament of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible Church; but also to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, of his ingrafting into Christ, of regeneration, of remission of sins, and of his giving up unto God, through Jesus Christ, to walk in the newness of life. Which sacrament is, by Christ's own appointment, to be continued in His Church until the end of the world.

I personally hold water baptism to be an outward confession, sign and seal of the inward reality/spiritual state of a believer such as yourself, but it is just that, not the reality (not salvation) itself, because as a true believer/someone who has come to faith in Christ, you are already saved/have already come to possess "eternal life" .. for instance, see: John 3:16, 18, 5:24, 6:40, 11:25, 20:31, Romans 3:28, 4:5, 10:9-17; 2 Timothy 1:8-9, 1 John 5:13..........

Your salvation is the result of God's gracious choice to save you .. Ephesians 2:8-9, a choice which was merited for you by the life (His innocence and His righteousness .. 2 Corinthians 5:21), and the death and resurrection of His Son .. cf Romans 5:8-10. This was credited to our accounts through our faith (in both Him, and in the works He did on our behalf .. as well in God's promise to save us in this gracious manner alone), apart from anything that we do*, even our works which are expressly done according to His will (done "in righteousness") which baptism certainly is .. e.g. Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5 cf Romans 11:6.

*(we choose to do good works not to become or remain saved, but instead, because we already are saved/have already been "born again"/"born from above" .. e.g. John 3:3, have already been made into "new creatures" in Christ .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 5:17, and have already become His workmanship (masterpiece), created in Christ unto good works .. e.g. Ephesians 2:10. Such works, as well the 24/7 desire to please and obey God and grow in Christlikeness, and our steadfast desire to repent and seek His forgiveness when we do not, is the best evidence we typically have that our claim of being a Christian is true .. cf 2 Corinthians 13:5)

Soli Deo gloria!

--David
p.s. - as an aside, although it is the common practice of the majority within Christendom (many even believing it to be salvific apart from personal faith (RCC, EOC, Lutherans), infant baptism has nothing to do with your present situation, obviously (so it is something else that you need not concern yourself with right now).

Luke 7
50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
 
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First off, and with all due respect, nowhere does the Bible say that Baptism is merely a "symbolic" act...that passage simply does not exist.

Second, let's see what the Bible does say about Baptism:

Ezek 36:25-27, it says, "I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses...a new heart I will give you and a new spirit I will put within you...and I will put My spirit within you..." Here, in the Old Testament, we have a foreshadowing of New Testament baptism.

Now, let's see if the New Testament corresponds to what we just read in Ezekiel. Acts 2:38, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Note that there is no symbolic language here...this is real! The Book of Acts says, "Be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins." Ezekiel says, "I will sprinkle clean water upon you and you shall be clean from your uncleanness." The Book of Acts says, "...and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Ezekiel says: "...and I will put My Spirit within you." Do you begin to see how God, in the Old Covenant, was preparing us for what He gives us in the New Covenant?

Acts 22:16 - "And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins..." 1 Cor 12:13 - "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body..." What body was that? The Body of Christ. 1 Ptr 3:21: "Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you..."

Scripture simply does not support the Calvinist notion that Baptism is symbolic. Scripture does very directly and very clearly support the Catholic teaching that Baptism saves us; that Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ; that Baptism washes away sin; and that through Baptism we receive the Holy Spirit...just as the Catholic Church teaches!

Thirdly.... as I presented in my last post, The Early Church and Early Church Fathers also disagree with you. These Fathers were the leaders and teachers of the early Church. They were the immediate successors of the Apostles, i.e. “Apostolic Fathers.” Three of them were disciples of one or more of the Apostles. Clement of Rome was a disciple of the apostles Peter and Paul. Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna were disciples of the Apostle John. Naturally we would expect that those who were personally taught by the Apostles would themselves believe and teach correctly, do you not agree?

I also noticed you like to quote Martin Luther:



Let me post another of his quotes:



By this quote, would you not agree Martin Luther affirmed the necessity of baptism?


Have a Blessed Easter Season




(part of this post is with the help from 'Staycatholic.com' and Sebastian R. Fama)
How is any of this helpful to a Saudi convert whose life is in danger? Can we take the debate out of this and just pray for his growth and physical safety?

There are no established churches in Saudi Arabia for former Muslims to join other than planted home churches underground.
 
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