New Cf Rule

[honorthesabbath]

Wow--I'm in shock and now I know why Longhair has asked us this question about if the SDA's adhered to the Nicene creed.

new site wide rule Nicene Christianity

Members and staff,

The following is being added to the site-wide rules:

* You will not promote any faith, belief, or religion other than Nicene Christianity. Promotion of Satanism is strictly prohibited. Promotion is defined as encouragement of the progress, growth, or acceptance of something including advertising and publicity.

Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed

We believe in (Romans 10: 8-10; 1 John 4: 15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1: 15-16)

And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
Son of God, (Mathew 14: 33; 16: 16)
Only-Begotten, (John 1: 18; 3: 16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1: 2)
Light from Light; (Psalm 27: 1; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
True God from True God; (John 17: 1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1: 18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10: 30)
through whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1 Timothy 2: 4-5)
came down from heaven, (John 6: 33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1: 35)
and became man. (John 1: 14)
And He was crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; 1 Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19: 6)
suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried. (Luke 23: 53; 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
and ascended into heaven, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19; Acts 7: 55)
and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10: 42; 2 Timothy 4: 1)
Whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1: 11)

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]*; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5,13)

In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2: 5,9)
catholic**, (Mark 16: 15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)

I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins***. (Ephesians 4: 5; Acts 2: 38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11: 24; 1 Corinthians 15: 12-49; Hebrews 6: 2; Revelation 20: 5)
and the life in the age to come. (Mark 10: 29-30)

AMEN. (Psalm 106: 48)


*The phrase in square brackets [and the Son] (known as the filioque clause) is not compulsory and does not need to be affirmed by members.

**The word "catholic" (literally, "universal") refers to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ and not necessarily or exclusively to any particular visible denomination or institution.

***This can be interpreted to mean that baptism is a matter of obedience and not a requirement for salvation or a regenerating ordinance.


Posts that promote non-Christian or non-Nicene beliefs will be removed by staff. Posts that merely provide information about a non-Christian or non-Nicene belief are allowed for informational purposes.

Staff may expand on this (via forum-specific guidelines) based on the specific needs of those forums.

Restrictions as to where non-Christian and non-Nicene members will not be imposed, nor will there be a return to forced icon changes. The intent is to moderate based on post content.


The following forums will be closed:

The Non-Nicene Congregation section
The Trinitarian forum
The Jehovah's Witness theology forum
The Latter Day Saints theology forum
The Unitarian/Non-Trinitarian theology forum


Non-Christian and Non-Nicene mods may not moderate the following forum categories on CF. Exceptions may be made by admins in conjunction with Lee and/or his advisors.

* Congregation
* Theology
* Ministry
* Edification
* Outreach

Prior admin approval is required for non-Christian and Non-Nicene mods to moderate the following forum categories:

* Life Stages
* Recovery

Non-Christian and non-Nicene staff that currently moderate any of the above forums may transfer to another team.

 

[longhair75]

friend hts,

Wow--I'm in shock and now I know why Longhair has asked us this question about if the SDA's adhered to the Nicene creed.

This is partially a return to the way things were before the changes by Erwin on 07/07/07. Acceptance of the Nicene Creed was required of Moderators assigned to the Congregational Forums when I became a Moderator. The changes of 07/07/07 made it possible for Non-Christians to become Moderators. The Non-Christian Moderators will no longer be able to work in Congregational Forums.

This is not so much a change as a return to the way things were done before last July.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Thanks LH-but this statement is what concerned me. I see that those denominations are gone.

The following forums will be closed:

The Non-Nicene Congregation section
The Trinitarian forum
The Jehovah's Witness theology forum
The Latter Day Saints theology forum
The Unitarian/Non-Trinitarian theology forum

Now here is what I find amazing about Lee's decision. A few on these denominations actually call themselves Christian. Lee says because they do not fit into what this creed states, then they cannot be part of this forum.

Here is the problem as to how I see it as a TRADITIONAL CONSERVATIVE SDA. For years in this forum we have been proclaiming that those who are oppose nearly ALL of the FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS of the SDA church, irregardless of whether they still have their names of church books, are not in the truest sense of the term Seventh-day Adventists. And yet, somehow, in spite of tons of threads in the prog area condemning the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists and almost everyone of the SDA doctrines, the progs were allowed to call themselves SDA's over our objections.

Now do I have this wrong or has Lee done what we have not been allowed to do: ie. declare those who oppose that what he feels defines a Christian as not belonging to the Christian community, just as we believe that those who oppose what clearly is Seventh-day Adventisms unique teachings, are not TRUE Adventists?

My comments are for clarity in understanding Lee's decisions and are not meant to be argued or debated by the opposition. Thank you in advance for your response LongHair.

 

[mva1985]

Thanks LH-but this statement is what concerned me. I see that those denominations are gone.



Now here is what I find amazing about Lee's decision. A few on these denominations actually call themselves Christian. Lee says because they do not fit into what this creed states, then they cannot be part of this forum.

Here is the problem as to how I see it as a TRADITIONAL CONSERVATIVE SDA. For years in this forum we have been proclaiming that those who are oppose nearly ALL of the FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS of the SDA church, irregardless of whether they still have their names of church books, are not in the truest sense of the term Seventh-day Adventists. And yet, somehow, in spite of tons of threads in the prog area condemning the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists and almost everyone of the SDA doctrines, the progs were allowed to call themselves SDA's over our objections.

Now do I have this wrong or has Lee done what we have not been allowed to do: ie. declare those who oppose that what he feels defines a Christian as not belonging to the Christian community, just as we believe that those who oppose what clearly is Seventh-day Adventisms unique teachings, are not TRUE Adventists?

My comments are for clarity in understanding Lee's decisions and are not meant to be argued or debated by the opposition. Thank you in advance for your response LongHair.

I guess my concern is the potential witness that could be lost in those areas.

 

[longhair75]

friend hts,

LeeD owns the site. He has the right to define it as he pleases. I am sure there were discussions at the executive staff level to set up this change, but I was not privy to the discussion.

Many of the forums that are being closed by this decision were created after the 07/07/07 changes at the express instructions of Erwin. It seems that LeeD is taking the forums back to the way they were before that change.

There is a discussion about this being conducted here:

http://christianforums.com/t6777178-new-site-wide-rule-nicene-christianity.html

There may be better answers to your questions in that thread. I really don't know anything that is not in the announcement.

 

[annie1speed]

I guess my concern is the potential witness that could be lost in those areas.

MVA the opportunity for witness is still there because they can still read what you write and still ask questions.

They just can't 'spread' their gospel. Am I right?