New CF - finally...

[KEPLER]

Christianity is to evident in what we call ourselves, but in how we conduct ourselves. If they want to call themselves Christians - so be it. It's not our job to sort the wheat from the Tare. That's his job. Our Job is to Love and to stand for the truth.

What is truth?

 

[*Starlight*]

Where is is given to us to spend all our time with wolves?

Are there really so many "wolves" on CF?

 

[ScottBot]

Where?

Didn't you get the memo? Anyone who doesn't believe what you believe is a fundamentalist, unless of course YOU claim to be a fundamentalist, in which case everyone else is a heathen.

 

[ScottBot]

You people don't stop, do you? Why do I get the hammer dropped on me?

Is it because I got banned under rules that no longer exist, which were usually vague, and enforced at the mods' discretion?

Or is it because I refused to be bullied by overzealous Christians and have the gall to come here and tell it to your face, defy your bans, and be a thorn in your side.

Now instead of making come up with a new name and doing this again, can someone answer my questions, please?

Do banned members get to appeal? Are we allowed impartial Christians and non-Christians to render a fair verdict, preferably ones who aren't currently on staff?

And on a side note, I saw that current staff will stay till the end of the year to help out. That makes sense, that's about 5 months, but is that how long it's going to take to get these staff elections?

And can someone quote this, because I know they're gonna get me again.

I say let you back in. Why not? If you were banned for incivility, you'll be gone again soon enough. YOu can't change a scorpion. If you were banned because you are an agnostic (or whatever you claim yourself to be, not my concern) then I say let you have free run of the joint. Be my guest.

 

[ScottBot]

What is truth?

Whatever the members of each forum decide it to be. Heaven is now a democracy. I'n't it grand?

 

[Lisa0315]

Christianity is to evident in what we call ourselves, but in how we conduct ourselves. If they want to call themselves Christians - so be it. It's not our job to sort the wheat from the Tare. That's his job. Our Job is to Love and to stand for the truth.

Amen!!!

 

[Lisa0315]

Whatever the members of each forum decide it to be. Heaven is now a democracy. I'n't it grand?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but this is not Heaven. It is not even the new Earth. When the New Heaven and the New Earth do come, it will not be a democracy then, but a theocracy. However, as long as Jesus is not our King on Earth, as long as the prince of this world reigns, then, the closest we CAN get to justice is by the Will of the People!

Lisa

 

[timein]

ok..im confused. The rules are a WIKI that Every member here can change?? ummmmm..does that mean we could end up with 1 million rules??? someone expand..i dont know much about WiKI

I'm so sorry RedTulipMoon, Man made rules will always bring confusion, and so it has already here.

Suggestion for CF: How about merely ruling with the 10 commandments and Jesus' Sermon on the Mount? This more sounds like "Christian ways" which the Word of God ~can~ use to unite Christian's together as one Body?

Because on the other hand:
If not, CF will have created two tables to dine from and it will be as Gentiles sacrifice to demons and not to God:
1.The Lord's Table and
2. A table of devils (See 1 Corinthian's 10:20-22)

Shall we cause to provoke the Lord to Jealousy here if we try to be united without His Word taking Authority?
But, the World system seems to think otherwise - they don't want God's Word to control their lives, but what about here? Erwin?

New CF - suggestions:
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Matthew 5
The Beatitudes

1And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him. 2Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:

3"Blessed are the poor in spirit, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn, For they shall be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.

6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11"Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.


Believers Are Salt and Light
13 "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men.
14"You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.


Christ Fulfills the Law
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.


Murder Begins in the Heart
21 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, "You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.' 22But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a causeshall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, "Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, "You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.
26Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.


Adultery in the Heart
27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, "You shall not commit adultery.'
28But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.


Marriage Is Sacred and Binding
31 "Furthermore it has been said, "Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.' 32But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.


Jesus Forbids Oaths
33 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, "You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.' 34But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37But let your "Yes' be "Yes,' and your "No,' "No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.


Go the Second Mile
38 "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.


Love Your Enemies
43 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Matthew 6


Do Good to Please God
1"Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 3But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly.


The Model Prayer
5"And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly. 7And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8"Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. 9In this manner, therefore, pray:


Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
13And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.


14"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


Fasting to Be Seen Only by God
16 "Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a sad countenance. For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be fasting. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 17But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18so that you do not appear to men to be fasting, but to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.


Lay Up Treasures in Heaven
19 "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.


The Lamp of the Body
22 "The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!


You Cannot Serve God and Riches
24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.


Do Not Worry
25 "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
27Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
28"So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31"Therefore do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?' or "What shall we drink?' or "What shall we wear?' 32For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

Matthew 7


Do Not Make You Own Rules
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
4Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
6"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.


Keep Asking, Seeking, Knocking
7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 9Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! 12Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.


The Narrow Way
13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14Because arrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.


You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Therefore by their fruits you will know them.


I Never Knew You
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'


Build on the Rock
24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
26"But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."
28And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, 29for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

 

[ScottBot]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but this is not Heaven. It is not even the new Earth. When the New Heaven and the New Earth do come, it will not be a democracy then, but a theocracy. However, as long as Jesus is not our King on Earth, as long as the prince of this world reigns, then, the closest we CAN get to justice is by the Will of the People!

Lisa

HOwever, Lisa, truth doesn't change, no matter where it is.

We are called to conform ourselves to it, not vice versa.

 

[Lisa0315]

You people don't stop, do you? Why do I get the hammer dropped on me?

Is it because I got banned under rules that no longer exist, which were usually vague, and enforced at the mods' discretion?

Or is it because I refused to be bullied by overzealous Christians and have the gall to come here and tell it to your face, defy your bans, and be a thorn in your side.

Now instead of making come up with a new name and doing this again, can someone answer my questions, please?

Do banned members get to appeal? Are we allowed impartial Christians and non-Christians to render a fair verdict, preferably ones who aren't currently on staff?

And on a side note, I saw that current staff will stay till the end of the year to help out. That makes sense, that's about 5 months, but is that how long it's going to take to get these staff elections?

And can someone quote this, because I know they're gonna get me again.

Is that what you want to do? Be a thorn in everyone's side? Why would you do that?

PM me if you know me. I want to know who you are. I won't tell and I am not sure that it would matter now anyway.

Lisa

 

[peanutbutter12]

I, for one, love the new changes. The stick needed to be removed and now it has. Plus, the forum will be more user run now than ever before. Thanks for the changes.

 

[timein]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but this is not Heaven. It is not even the new Earth. When the New Heaven and the New Earth do come, it will not be a democracy then, but a theocracy. However, as long as Jesus is not our King on Earth, as long as the prince of this world reigns, then, the closest we CAN get to justice is by the Will of the People!

Lisa

No. Not even the almightly "Will of the People" will be close to God's heart - how about:
1. The 10 commandments (directing from behind)
2. and the Sermon on the Mount (lead from ahead)

God directing us from behind and God leading from ahead.

 

[Lisa0315]

HOwever, Lisa, truth doesn't change, no matter where it is.

We are called to conform ourselves to it, not vice versa.

Okay, we are to conform ourselves to the truth of Jesus Christ. It doesn't say anywhere that we are to force anyone else to conform. Instead, we are to be a shining light in the darkness. If we do not allow the darkness in, does the light still shine?

Lisa

 

[drstevej]

It's likely that atheists won't go there - if they do those forums will have strict rules, as set by the members, to regulate such discussions, and have moderators that the members of those forums have chosen to implement the rules. It will work out.

Erwin, do you still believe Mormonism is a cult or have you changed your mind?

 

[ScottBot]

Erwin, do you still believe Mormonism is a cult or have you changed your mind?

Noone is allowed to decide who is allowed to call themselves Christian and who isn't. So, if you are a member of the LDS and consider yourself a Christian, welcome to the club. Enjoy your stay. Can I get you a muffin or some cookies?

 

[ScottBot]

Which is more important in spreading Jesus' message:

Right action

or

Right belief

?

Both.

 

[suzybeezy]

I have to say it - what amazes me is staff (like I was) got stuck with the horrid reforms of last year. Several of us complained, several wonderful staffers left and yet we had to follow the protocols dictated to us. From a debate perspective, I begged for changes with the goofy rules we had, begged for maybe some forum specific rules, etc. - and repeatedly was told no no no. Now I see confirmation from Erwin that the rules were to legalistic (which was the complaint repeatedly ignored) and I see the move to forum specific rules (which Erwin repeatedly told us would not happen). I feel a bit beaten as a staff member who resigned right before this reform as I was just totally burned out and got to the straw and camels back point. These were the cries of so many, who all left over this past year, to please fix the mess of the last reform. Now you got reforms that address some of those very concerns that good staff left over and their not here now. Its just a shame this was neglected for so long.

 

[OceanAngel]

btw, whats happening with the mod application side of things?

 

[sparklecat]

Suzybeezy - seems likely that CF will be a bit short-handed at present. Perhaps you could return to your position for now, as well as others who felt the same way?

 

[cygnusx1]

Noone is allowed to decide who is allowed to call themselves Christian and who isn't. So, if you are a member of the LDS and consider yourself a Christian, welcome to the club. Enjoy your stay. Can I get you a muffin or some cookies?

actually this position is not in accordance with scripture .

Anyone who has read the account of Simon Magus will know full well the words of the Apostles.


[h3]Acts.8[/h3]
[1] And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
[2] And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
[3] As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
[4] Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
[5] Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
[6] And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
[7] For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
[8] And there was great joy in that city.
[9] But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
[10] To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
[11] And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
[12] But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
[13] Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
[14] Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
[15] Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
[16] (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
[17] Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
[18] And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
[19] Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
[20] But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
[21] Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
[22] Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
[23] For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
[24] Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.