Nested Hierarchy: Evidence for Evolution

[Bungle_Bear]

The Flying Pig goes away. Do you like to try?

You have demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea what is being asked. Your best bet now would be to leave quietly.

 

[Herman Hedning]

What we call the Cambrian explosion is an "explosion" of fossils created by the evolution of animals that would fossilize. It lasted approximately 541 MILLION years. ...

If you want to call this "suddenly and spectacularly" then by all means. Have at it.

Just a little correction, the Cambrian explosion did not last for 541 million years, but it occurred 541 million years ago. The initial "explosive" part lasted for 10-20 million years, which is still a long time. Just sayin'.

 

[Go Braves]

You don't need to start at the basics. I used to be a staunch atheist and defender of evolution, until I realized how it's 100% mathematically impossible. I understand the basics. I just disagree with them.

Well if you understand the basics as you say, please explain how you think evolution is "100% mathematically impossible," Saucy.

 

[xianghua]

Well if you understand the basics as you say, please explain how you think evolution is "100% mathematically impossible," Saucy.

since we know that complex objects like a robot cant evolve naturally then we can conclude the same for even more complex objects like creatures.

 

[Shemjaza]

since we know that complex objects like a robot cant evolve naturally then we can conclude the same for even more complex objects like creatures.

It's not the complexity of a robot holding it back from evolving naturally. It's the fact that it can't reproduce.

 

[Speedwell]

since we know that complex objects like a robot cant evolve naturally then we can conclude the same for even more complex objects like creatures.

Complexity is not a barrier to evolution.

 

[xianghua]

It's not the complexity of a robot holding it back from evolving naturally. It's the fact that it can't reproduce.

so a robot that is able to reproduce doesnt need a designer then?

 

[Shemjaza]

so a robot that is able to reproduce doesnt need a designer then?

I don't know, there's no such thing. Your silly stories are irrelevant.

Something with the ability to randomly generate variation and apply it to offspring world be able to develop new forms without a designer... but no such machine exists.

Animal cars and breeding robots... can't you find something real?

 

[doubtingmerle]

since we know that complex objects like a robot cant evolve naturally then we can conclude the same for even more complex objects like creatures.

But since you have agreed that animals can do some things that machines cannot do, then the fact that a machine cannot do something(have babies, evolve biologically, etc.) does not prove animals can not do this.

Did you forget that you agreed that animals can do some things machines cannot do?

 

[xianghua]

I don't know, there's no such thing. Your silly stories are irrelevant.

Something with the ability to randomly generate variation and apply it to offspring world be able to develop new forms without a designer... but no such machine exists.

Animal cars and breeding robots... can't you find something real?

from a physical perspective a penguin isnt a self replicating robot?

 

[Shemjaza]

from a physical perspective a penguin isnt a self replicating robot?

Nope. It's an animal.

A self replicating machine has never been demonstrated. In addition, to use xianghua 'logic', humans built all robots known about... and humans didn't build penguins, therefore they can't be robots.

 

[DogmaHunter]

from a physical perspective a penguin isnt a self replicating robot?

No.

One is a living biological entity.
The other is a mechanical device.

 

[xianghua]

Nope. It's an animal.

A self replicating machine has never been demonstrated. In addition, to use xianghua 'logic', humans built all robots known about... and humans didn't build penguins, therefore they can't be robots.

so a robot cant be build from organic component?

 

[durangodawood]

so a robot cant be build from organic component?

Doesnt matter.

There is a demonstrable mechanism for biological evolution along with extremely strong evidence that it actually happened.

What more could you possibly need?

 

[Speedwell]

so a robot cant be build from organic component?

Not yet, but as the science of genetic engineering advances I imagine that more and more of our machines will be grown from organic components. Why not robots?

 

[DogmaHunter]

so a robot cant be build from organic component?

It wouldn't be a robot.
Dude... even in sci-fi, the word "robot" is no longer used whenever a "robot" includes organic tissue. Robocop, for example, is not called a "robot". It's called a cyborg.

Words have meanings.
When the word "robot" is used, we mean a mechanical device.
Not a biological entity. For crying out loud, even partial biological entities with build in mechanical technology are no longer called "robots".

So why you would think that a FULLY organic "device" would be called a "robot" is.... strange.

But I understand you need to make strange stuff up, just to be able to give the impression that you have some remote point.

 

[Shemjaza]

so a robot cant be build from organic component?

It's never been demonstrated.

I suspect even if it becomes possible we'll use different words for mechanical/electronic versus organic constructs.

But the important thing is that organic machines don't exist and there is no evidence that penguins were built, not grown.

 

[pitabread]

Not yet, but as the science of genetic engineering advances I imagine that more and more of our machines will be grown from organic components. Why not robots?

Arguably they'd be called "artificial organisms" if that were the case.

 

[Speedwell]

Arguably they'd be called "artificial organisms" if that were the case.

I like Dogma's "cyborgs" better--sounds more sinister and dystopian. But it doesn't matter. This is nothing but another less-than-subtle attempt by Xianghua to sneak sneak in functional complexity as evidence of intelligent design.

 

[xianghua]

I suspect even if it becomes possible we'll use different words for mechanical/electronic versus organic constructs.

realy? so a watch made of wood isnt a watch since its made from a wood?