Nephilim?

[nephilimiyr]

My question would be, which one are you in your picture? Theres 2 dudes there. I know what its like to have more than one in a pic, thats why I often get mistaken for my wife, especially with my web name

Hi Starcrystal and Pottersclay!

Ok, you both know who the nephilim are right? If Potter doesn't know, they are what the offspring are called in Genesis 6:4, it's the original Hebrew word used that giants is translated from. The "iyr" is another hebrew word meaning watcher. It is used in Daniel 4:23,
And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one comeing down from heaven,
The meaning of the word is to open ones eyes and watch and as in Daniel and also in the 1 book of Enoch it's used to discribe a type of angel. I however put the two words together to say that I am watching for the return of the nephilim, my eyes are open. I do believe they will return and or already have. Now don't get me wrong! I don't want to have anything to do with them. They were or are the most evil, vile creature that ever walked the earth and in saying that starcrystal, you now know my answer to your belief that not all were evil. Sorry but I don't believe the same way.

I can't believe you guys don't know who neph is in that pic, LOL! I'm 40 years old for Pete's sake and that's a picture of my son Joshua's high school graduation! But thanks for putting a smile on my face this morning!
I'm the one with the receeding hair line and the gut and that's my wife.
My son Joshua is simi autistic but he does ok. We all love him

Oh, and starcrystal, I got the avatar from this website http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/
I'm more than sure that if you've never seen this site you'll find it very informative and useful.

 

[Starcrystal]

Ok, then I would have guessed right. Hey, I was mistaken for 19 when I was 39, then a girl tried to guess my age at 26. Nice!
I don't know, wouldn't a hybrid be available for redemption? Maybe in Noahs time they did all go evil because the witness of the Lord wasn't as clear, and everyone musta thought Noah was nuts for building a boat for a flood when there'd never been rain. I think theres hybrids alive today and if their human part recieves the Lord they can be saved, and cleansed of the evil DNA? I'm just speculating here. What if one of our ancient ancestors had bred with someone claiming to be from another planet, or a fairy or an angel? Theres many Native Americans with these legends, as well as in the British Isles, also Egypt.
Oh, I saw the Watcher avatar (That is a watcher, isn't it?) on an Illuminati site that is linked to the Watcher Files.

(Edit) That Return of the Nephilim site says EXACTLY what I've been saying all along all over CF. Its what I've been mocked for... Heres a brief quote from their homepage:

"These rebellious interdimensional beings from the heavenlies will manifest among us disguised as extraterrestrial from other galaxies or aliens beings from another dimension or time. They will pretend to teach mankind high elements of science and technology as well as the means to successfully achieve a peaceful social cooperation among the nations of the world putting an end to wars, hunger, plagues, etc. To attain that intent. they will tell us that it is absolutely necessary to unite all the nations of the world under a new One World Government or New World Order, the ultimate Tower of Babel."

 

[Surprised by joy]

Hi, all, sorry to poke in my fantasy-adoring head, but has anyone read "Many Waters", by Madeleine L'Engle? Good book. All about nephilim. It's a wish close to my heart that the sons of God (in that passage in Genesis) were angels. Has anyone mentioned the verse in Job? Job 38:7:
"When the morning stars sang together, / And all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

Hey, I know I'm a kid and you guys are big and mature, but . . . in a debate, especially one over a topic that is not life or death, the whole emotions/insult thing is . . . hmm. I duck my head, and resolve to keep my (adequate) nose in my own business.

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries."
"La vache!"

 

[Protoevangel]

Well you said it certainly wont pose a challenge to your faith. Now I suppose it all depends on what the meaning of it is but the it is what I have proposed as being the truth. No I didn't take what you said personally. I knew the it was referring to what my beliefs are which at the moment are different than yours.

And all I did was answer the OP. I did not write anything in my first post as an answer to you. I made it in the shortest way I thought I possibly could so that Bro Gabriel could get the point. Straight forward and right to point. After that I let Bro. Gabriel know that what you wrote is wrong. It wasn't meant for you nor did I mean for it to be as an attack on you personally. If Bro. Gabriel wants the truth of the matter I was letting him know that the Sethite view is wrong.

Now after saying that I will say that you do deserve a heart felt apology from me and I am giving it. Please forgive me . By my attempt to keep things short and to the point I have come off as a boor. I should've spent a little more time explaining why you are wrong.

I'm ready to drop the rudeness but I am not ready to get involved another long discuss on this. I spent alot of time and effort in that last thread and am right now alittle burnt out on the topic. I have already moved on to other things. In the last several days I have found myself drifting from the Lord and realize that I need to get back to worshipping Him, full time. When I do this I always come back feeling refreshed and rejuvenated!

Once again, sorry for the rudeness and perhaps when I find time I will pick out some good post numbers for you from that other thread and even make it easy for you and copy and paste them here.

It's the least I can do!

May the LORD by your shield of defence!

No problems my brother! As far as I am concerned, it never hapened.

There are times when I come across as much more abrasive than I need to. When I so, it is usually time for me to take a break and spend a lot of extra time in prayer.

I'll make it to the other thread over the next few days, now that finals are over.

God bless.

 

[Protoevangel]

Hi, all, sorry to poke in my fantasy-adoring head, but has anyone read "Many Waters", by Madeleine L'Engle? Good book. All about nephilim. It's a wish close to my heart that the sons of God (in that passage in Genesis) were angels. Has anyone mentioned the verse in Job? Job 38:7:
"When the morning stars sang together, / And all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

Hey, I know I'm a kid and you guys are big and mature, but . . . in a debate, especially one over a topic that is not life or death, the whole emotions/insult thing is . . . hmm. I duck my head, and resolve to keep my (adequate) nose in my own business.

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries."
"La vache!"

Hello Surprised by joy, and welcome.

It is true that Sons of God are Angels, in Job. Sons of God however also refer to the people of Israel in the Old Testament, and believers in the New Testament. It is entirely possible, considering the lack of evidence, that in Genesis, "Sons of God" could refer to Angels, Seth's offspring, or to the rulers (or tyrants) of the time. The context does not give us much to work with. I'm ok with any of the interpretations, but the last two seems to be more consistent with the rest of the message in the Bible, which is why I generally hold to those interpretations.

As far as the "emotions/insult" thing goes, I was not hurt, but I did feel the need to bring the subject to my Brother's attention. I sometimes get abrasive myself, and when that happens, it is important for someone to point it out to me, and remind me that we are discussing among friends here.

Blessings!

Oh, BTW, I love the Holy Grail quotes!

 

[PottersClay]

I however put the two words together to say that I am watching for the return of the nephilim, my eyes are open. I do believe they will return and or already have.

Ok, I get it. I knew who the nephilim were, and that's why I was so puzzled why you'd want to associate yourself with them The watcher part makes sense.

Actually, nephilim do still exist, and they are still the offspring of demon and human. I know they are used for sacrifice, but I'm unsure if there are ever circumstances that they're permitted to live. I was told once that they dont live long, but I dont recall whether that was just because they're all sacrificed or if, not sacrificed, they dont survive for long.

I dont understand the ability for a spirit to procreate with a human either, but it's obviously possible. I cannot see, however how such an union would ever be condoned by God by the angels who were not fallen. I would think such offspring could only be evil, and I beleive Scripture supports that.

I'm curious, Iyr, what has led you to believe they will return? It's certianly possible, I just dont know I've ever heard anything that would suggest they would.

I can't believe you guys don't know who neph is in that pic, LOL! I'm 40 years old for Pete's sake and that's a picture of my son Joshua's high school graduation! But thanks for putting a smile on my face this morning!

I kinda thought so, but it threw me off 'cause your son is in the center of the photo. Nice family

 

[Starcrystal]

PottersClay,
Actually, nephilim do still exist, and they are still the offspring of demon and human. I know they are used for sacrifice, but I'm unsure if there are ever circumstances that they're permitted to live. I was told once that they dont live long, but I dont recall whether that was just because they're all sacrificed or if, not sacrificed, they dont survive for long.

What? Huh? Who? Where?
This is a new one to me. Sounds like the reports of infant sacrifice in really secretive satanic cults. Any connection?
Also, ummm, I think SOME of them live longer. The "alien" hybrid experiments are being done to produce an antichrist, which will obviously live a fairly long life.
Where does your info come from? Sounds quite interesting actually.

 

[PottersClay]

What? Huh? Who? Where?
This is a new one to me. Sounds like the reports of infant sacrifice in really secretive satanic cults. Any connection?
Also, ummm, I think SOME of them live longer. The "alien" hybrid experiments are being done to produce an antichrist, which will obviously live a fairly long life.
Where does your info come from? Sounds quite interesting actually.

My info comes from knowing someone who's actually given birth to at least one of these creatures, and yes, it is high-level occult.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Nephilim are indeed ofspring of demons having sexual relations with human women.

 

[nephilimiyr]

FOR DANHEAD

If you want a full explanation of what's wrong with the Sethite view, please read this article.
http://www.khouse.org/articles/biblestudy/19970801-110.html

Otherwise if you do go to the that other thread read posts #22 and #23.

Here's a post of mine from that other thread:

I would remind you, first of all, that all of the "chapter and verse" delineation in the Bible is not in the original text, but was added centuries later. Go back and read the text again without the change of thought for chapter and verse.

Fair enough Serapha but there is no reason at all for us to believe that the lineage was given to us so to identify who the sons of God are. The sons of God is Bene Elohim in the Hebrew. The excepted rule for defining words or phrases in the Bible is to look elsewhere in the Bible for any other instance of when this word or phrase is used. If there are several instance's of it's use and all pertain to the same meaning then we therefore know the definition of the word or phrase.

When we do a Hebrew search for the phrase Bene Elohim we only see it used in Job 1:6, Job 2:1, Job 38:7, and once used as Ben Elohim(which is singlar) in Daniel 3:25. You won't find that phrase used as it is in any other place in the Bible. In every one of those cases the phrase Bene Elohim is used to describe celestial beings and never used to describe a person or people. Therefore, following the excepted form of definition, sons of God are angels.

Let me add that the Sethite view is a rather early form of belief that was thought up to persuade christians in the early church era from believeing in angels haveing descended to earth and mateing with human women. At the time, 200 to 800 AD, the theologians of the time wanted to bring in their own beliefs of angels and or celestial beings and it did not go along with what the common people of the day had already excepted as truth.

Additionally, we are told in Genesis, that God created everything, citing, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind..."

Now, God created Adam in from the dust of the earth, in an original creation as is identified in the Hebrew text of the word, and but same description of creating the woman is not to create in the original form, but to shape or form, for mankind was already created in the original forum with Adam. Eve had to come from Adam to be able to comply with each "living creature according to its kind".

So what are you telling me? Are you saying that angels were not created but only man was? That is in effect what you are saying here, you do realize that don't you Serapha?
Adam is the only man God directly created but he also directly created the angels did he not? This is the reason why the author calls them the "sons of God". The nephilim, the offspring, were not directly created by God just like you and I were not directly created by God but they were the progeny of two of his creations just like you and I are the progeny of his creation.

Let me also state that in the Old Testament no person other than Adam was ever or could ever be called a real son of God. It's only until Jesus Christ came and shed his blood on the cross that we are able to call ourselves sons of God in a spiritual sense.
John 1:12-13, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God

Therefore in Genesis it would be totally impossible for any man, other than Adam, or people to be referred to as sons of God except the angels who were directly created by Him. If your right and the author is calling the sons of seth, the sons of God, then he would be teaching a false truth.

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Secondly if the author wanted us to know that the passage is talking about the sons of Seth he would've just wrote sons of Seth, not sons of God. There is no reason in the early chapters of Genesis to make us believe that all the sons of Seth were godly nor are we told that all the daughters of Cain were ungodly.

In fact some Bible scholars have called into question the way Gen. 4:26 is translated. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
What they are saying is that the proper way to read that is "then men began to call themselves gods". Now since this is currently in debate among bible scholars I only mean to point this out. However that translation would make better sense because the way it has been translated is saying that Adam and Seth didn't call upon the name of the Lord but only Seths sons did. And that would mean both Adam and Seth were ungodly!

 

[Starcrystal]

heres a quote from that Khouse link....I'd posted this on another forum as well...

[/QUOTE]Origin of the Sethite View

It was in the 5th century a.d. that the "angel" interpretation of Genesis 6 was increasingly viewed as an embarrassment when attacked by critics. (Furthermore, the worship of angels had begun within the church. Also, celibacy had also become an institution of the church. The "angel" view of Genesis 6 was feared as impacting these views.)

Celsus and Julian the Apostate used the traditional "angel" belief to attack Christianity. Julius Africanus resorted to the Sethite interpretation as a more comfortable ground. Cyril of Alexandria also repudiated the orthodox "angel" position with the "line of Seth" interpretation. Augustine also embraced the Sethite theory and thus it prevailed into the Middle Ages. It is still widely taught today among many churches who find the literal "angel" view a bit disturbing. There are many outstanding Bible teachers who still defend this view.

Anything that was held to be orthodox doctrine by the Jews and by the early church, then later changed, is obviously an intrusion of the doctrines of men. I've read church history of that period and it seems a LOT was changed. The result: The dark ages.

 

[PottersClay]

I'm curious, Iyr, what has led you to believe they [nephilim] will return? It's certianly possible, I just dont know I've ever heard anything that would suggest they would.

Neph, did you see this question?

 

[nephilimiyr]

Neph, did you see this question?

LOL, yes I did and I'm sorry Potter but I was hopeing not to get too involved in this again. This theology is not something that is easy to learn. There are no easy or short answers to anything when you find the truth in this. It requires alot of study and alot of praying! And in the end when you think you've got a handle on it you learn you have much more to learn. In my case it has served to strengthen my faith in God by showing me his righteousness and all powerful nature, his holyness, that he will be the victorious conquerer He said He will be. I now have a boldness I never had before. Yes I was a christian before I learned this theology and said I believed all those things but now I can smell it, I can taste it.

As for your question here's the answer.
Mattew 24:37-38, But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, untill the day that Noe entered into the ark.
I believe what happend in Noah's day will happen again but this time it will be much, much worse!
The child of God needn't worry about this but if you have loved ones who don't know God I would start praying for them and if you already do just keep at it. I don't believe I would be sitting here in a christian message board talking to you if it wasn't for my mother who prayed earnestly for me every day when I was in rebellion!

Peace and Love

 

[Starcrystal]

And to back up what was just said, and as i have repeated over & over: The "Alien" phenomenon that has taken place since 1947 (Just the year before Israel became a nation again, by the way) is one sure sign of the return of the Nephilim. Although there are many hoaxes involved with Alien/UFO sightings & abductions, there are a percentage which realy happen. The fact that "hybrids" are being created points to the work of Fallen angels yet again, except they are disguising themselves as aliens this time. They do this simply because mans eyes are set on space and the search for ET life. Because we live in a scientific society, the demons are using the ET route to get our attention. They are inspiring numerous Hollywood directors and authors to promote that Aliens are among us.
I have seen these creatures, I have been temporarily misled by these creatures (Even as a Christian) and I have battled some of these creatures in spiritual warfare, gaining the victory in Jesus name. There is more than ample evidence that the Nephilim are returning, only this time they will claim to be Alien/human hybrids here to advance our "evolution" and bring us into new age aweareness. I just hope not too many Christians dismiss this as fantasy or hysteria. Please do not get caught unawares by Satans grand deception! He knows his time is short so he's pulling out all stops to implement his brief rule on earth through Antichrist....
TRUST JESUS ALONE FOR REDEMPTION!

 

[Starcrystal]

From www.raidersnewsupdate.com

"In the Interlinear Hebrew Bible we read:

The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...The Nephelim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the benei Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them—they were Powerful Ones which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (Gen. 6:2,4)
The benei Elohim were "extraterrestrial" angelic creatures also known as "watchers," "sons of God," and "rephiam." They visited the earth during antiquity and used the daughters of Adam as "fit extensions" or instruments through which they extended themselves into the physical world. They sought to corrupt the bloodline of Adam, to deceive the human race, and to prevent the birth of the Messiah. They represented themselves as "gods," and their offspring, the Nephilim ("fallen ones"), attempted to exterminate the people of Yahweh.
WHAT ARE "THEY" UP TO NOW?

Some say the 'rapture' of the Church will be accompanied by "...fearful sights and great signs...from heaven" (Lk 21:11). Perhaps Satan is contriving an "alien invasion" to explain the disappearance of so many people at once! If eighty percent of the population believes in the possibility of extra-terrestrial intelligence, wouldn't this be a powerful form of deception? And since New Age theology produces a growing belief among some contemporary church groups that flying saucers will be the method "God" uses to retrieve the Christian community during the Rapture, couldn't the UFO sightings phenomenon play a part in the great deception that will pervade the earth following the Rapture?"

 

[Alessandro]

There are a couple of views about them, one would be that the "sons of God" were angels that possessed human beings, that interbred with the "daughters of men" and producing a superior breed whose offspring were the giants.