Nephilim?

[Bro. Gabriel]

What do you think about the Nephilim mentioned in Genesis?

Who or what were they? What happened to them?

 

[Bro. Gabriel]

No one has any thoughts on this?

 

[Apollonarius]

Hello Bro. Gabriel,

i believe they were literal giants of at least large stature, most likely wicked.

i'm not sure about their being parented by "the sons of God," because that's usually a reference to angels in the OT. i don't know if angels have that...capability. i'm very reluctant to believe that.

Still that's what it sounds like. i'd like to hear your thoughts as well.

Let us all run to the Throne of Grace, where peace and joy flow out into all the earth! Maranatha!

In His Light,
Apollonarius

 

[ischus]

The Nephilim were men of great pride and arrogance- they were not necessarily any larger than other people.

 

[Bro. Gabriel]

If you believe any of the Book of Enoch, it claims they were Angels that impregnated a few women on earth and bore giants who became warriors and taught humans how to form weapons and fight and use metals of the earth, etc.

I'm really not sure what I believe, I can see it from many points of (very odd/interesting) view!

 

[Protoevangel]

While "Sons of God" frequently means Angels (Job), it can also mean believers. So it may be the children of Godly Seth. Thus it would detail what happens when believers marry unbelievers - they fall.

Deuteronomy 32:8 (ESV)
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.

Matthew 5:9 (NIV)
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

Luke 20:36 (Amp)
For they cannot die again, but they are angel-like and equal to angels. And being sons of and sharers in the resurrection, they are sons of God.

John 1:12 (WYC)
But how many ever received him, he gave to them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name;

John 11:52 (WYC)
and not only for the folk, but that he should gather into one the sons of God that were scattered.

Romans 8:14 (NIV)
because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

Romans 8:15 (WE)
The Holy Spirit you have received does not make you a slave again so that you are afraid. But the Spirit you have received makes you sons of God.

Romans 8:16 (WYC)
And that Spirit yieldeth witnessing to our spirit, that we be the sons of God;

Romans 8:19 (NIV)
The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. Galatians 3:26
You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,

Romans 9:8
that is to say, not they that be sons of the flesh, sons of God, but they that be sons of [the] promise be deemed in the seed.

Galatians 3:26 (NASB)
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 4:5 (NLV)
This all happened so He could buy with His blood and make free all those who were held by the Law. Then we might become the sons of God.

Galatians 4:6 (NLV)
Because you are the sons of God, He has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts. The Spirit cries, " Father!"

Philippians 2:15 (KJ21)
that ye may be blameless and unoffending, the sons of God, without rebuke in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world,

1 John 3:1 (KJV)
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2 (KJV)
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[Starcrystal]

Yes, but this subject is covered extensively in Outreach Forum "giants in the Bible" thread
http://www.christianforums.com/t96250

 

[israelthebride]

GEN 6:1
And it came to pass,
when men began to multiply on the face of the earth,
and daughters were born unto them,
GEN 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;
and they took them wives of all which they chose.
GEN 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,
for that he also is flesh:
yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
GEN 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days;
and also after that,
when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men,
and they bare children to them,
the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
GEN 6:5
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart
was only evil continually.
GEN 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth,
and it grieved him at his heart.
_______

Even today,
there are men
and there are SONS of GOD.

Stay a SON of GOD.

LOVE, RICOEL

 

[nephilimiyr]

Hi...did someone call my name?

I just got done being involved in a long thread about this, the one starcrystal referred to, and not sure if I want to do this all over again.

Sons of God are angels, daughters of men are women, the nephilim are the offspring of the two.

Danhead is wrong!

 

[Starcrystal]

just got done being involved in a long thread about this, the one starcrystal referred to, and not sure if I want to do this all over again.

Sons of God are angels, daughters of men are women, the nephilim are the offspring of the two.

Thats a good way of putting it. The details are on the other thread. Theres quite a bit there too. I've seen a lot of threads on the same subject, specifically prophecy & aliens. I found myself repeating myself on many, or copy & pasting from one to another. CF is so huge with subforums of subforums that its very difficult to find out whether your subject has already been started. However some new people might want to jump on this one, and see what it opens up....

 

[Protoevangel]

Danhead is wrong!

Nice!

Matthew Henry:
The sons of God (that is, the professors of religion, who were called by the name of the Lord, and called upon that name), married the daughters of men, that is, those that were profane, and strangers to God and godliness. The posterity of Seth did not keep by themselves, as they ought to have done, both for the preservation of their own purity and in detestation of the apostasy.

The 1599 Geneva Study Bible
6:2 That the a sons of God saw the daughters b of men that they [were] c fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
(a) The children of the godly who began to degenerate.
(b) Those that had wicked parents, as if from Cain.
(c) Having more respect for their beauty and worldly considerations than for their manners and godliness.

Jamieson, Fausset, Brown Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible
2. the sons of God saw the daughters of men--By the former is meant the family of Seth, who were professedly religious; by the latter, the descendants of apostate Cain. Mixed marriages between parties of opposite principles and practice were necessarily sources of extensive corruption. The women, religious themselves, would as wives and mothers exert an influence fatal to the existence of religion in their household, and consequently the people of that later age sank to the lowest depravity.

John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible
The sons of God - Those who were called by the name of the Lord, and called upon that name, married the daughters of men - Those that were profane, and strangers to God. The posterity of Seth did not keep to themselves as they ought, but intermingled with the race of Cain: they took them wives of all that they chose - They chose only by the eye: They saw that they were fair - Which was all they looked at.

Easton's Bible Dictionary
The plural, "sons of God," is used (Genesis 6:2,4) to denote the pious descendants of Seth. In Job 1:6; 38:7 this name is applied to the angels. Hosea uses the phrase (1:10) to designate the gracious relation in which men stand to God.

H.C. Leupold Exposition of Genesis, Vol. 1
But who were these 'sons of God'? Without a shadow of a doubt, the Sethites."[3] In this view, the descendants of Seth became wayward and married the "daughters of men" indiscriminately, basing their choice only on appearance, without concern for godliness, and the nephilim were their offspring.


Nephilim is only used here and in Numbers 13:33, where it clearly refers to the descendants of Anak, just people. "Sons of God" is not used exclusively of angels -- the children of Israel are called "the sons of the living God" see Hosea 1:10, Psalm 73:15, Psalm 80:17.


Genesis 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
Mark 12:25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

The sons of God married the daughters of men. Angels do not marry. An angel outside the will of God is not a Son of God.

Buuuuut, sure, I may be wrong. I am ok with that. It certainly doesn't pose a challenge to my faith.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Nice!

I know, I'm sorry but I'm tired of the same old lame story.

Buuuuut, sure, I may be wrong. I am ok with that. It certainly doesn't pose a challenge to my faith.

And they are all wrong too! And if your so comfortable with the posibility of being wrong then please go ahead and read the link starcrystal posted. All of the arguements you may have are answered there. Now as to your thought that I mean for it be a challenge to your faith you can get that right out of your head because if your a christian this will do NOTHING to harm your faith in God. In fact if you except the true story all it can to is strengthen your faith in God's power! All it will do is open a few doors that have been shut for you. Who shut those doors for you? Well you can start out by blameing Matthew Henry, along with the writters of the 1599 geneva study guide, Jamieson, Fausset, Brown, John Westley, the writers of the Easton's dictionary, and H. C. Leupold.

 

[Starcrystal]

Its been shown on other threads addressing this issue that the "Sons of Seth" teaching is a heresy that began about the 4th century AD. All quotes from more contemporary times are only relying on those teachings.

Here is an interesting link that might shed some light on this subject:
http://www.alienresistance.org/book_of_enoch.htm

This also contains similar info:
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/war_iraq.htm

 

[PottersClay]

Nephilimiyr, I have to ask. Why did you choose that screen name?

 

[Starcrystal]

PottersClay,
Nephilimiyr, I have to ask. Why did you choose that screen name?

My question would be, which one are you in your picture? Theres 2 dudes there. I know what its like to have more than one in a pic, thats why I often get mistaken for my wife, especially with my web name

 

[PottersClay]

My question would be, which one are you in your picture? Theres 2 dudes there. I know what its like to have more than one in a pic, thats why I often get mistaken for my wife, especially with my web name

Funny, I was wondering the same thing!

 

[Starcrystal]

Nephilimiyr,
I see you registered on my forum on Prophets Crucible, but haven't posted....
By the way, your avatar is cool. Is it a Nephilim?
(I don't believe all Nephilim were bad. They were just hybrids, and it wasn't their fault who their parents were. I think many of them became corrupted simply because they were conditioned that way by their society.....just a thought.)

A good question here might be: Are there any Nephilim today, and can Nephilim (hybrids) be saved if they receive Christ??)

 

[Protoevangel]

I know, I'm sorry but I'm tired of the same old lame story.

Wow, do your recent posts fit your definition of Christian charity, or are you actually trying to come across as a boor?

And they are all wrong too! And if your so comfortable with the posibility of being wrong then please go ahead and read the link starcrystal posted. All of the arguements you may have are answered there.

Yea, I'll give it a read. Maybe. 35 pages of that? Thanks for being so helpful! Maybe if you provide some post numbers which you feel would be especially useful?

Now as to your thought that I mean for it be a challenge to your faith you can get that right out of your head because if your a christian this will do NOTHING to harm your faith in God.

You missed my point completely, the comment was not about you, not in the least. I never said you meant it as a challange to my faith. I said nothing of the sort. My point is that I do not feel the need to "defend" my position, because regardless of which interpretation is true, it means nothing to my faith. I have not made this personal, I have not asserted you were wrong and called your honest attempts at discussion "lame". All I have done is answer the OP "What do you think about the Nephilim mentioned in Genesis?", and then provided some of the material that underlies the basis of my understanding. Then I was rudely attacked by someone too busy to "do this again". Sorry for having an opinion.

In fact if you except the true story all it can to is strengthen your faith in God's power! All it will do is open a few doors that have been shut for you. Who shut those doors for you? Well you can start out by blameing Matthew Henry, along with the writters of the 1599 geneva study guide, Jamieson, Fausset, Brown, John Westley, the writers of the Easton's dictionary, and H. C. Leupold.

First of all, those doors are not shut. I am ready for an honest discussion. I have not been avoiding discussion, which is all you have done since you forst posted in this thread. I'm sorry if the fact that I haven't read "the book" over in "Giants in the Bible" makes me ignorant in your eyes.

Look, I am sure you are a good intentioned Christian fellow, if you are ready to drop the rudeness I am ready to listen. Maybe if you start with a few post numbers from "Giants in the Bible", we can turn this into a real discussion. Better yet, you could actually discuss, instead of just saying "read this" (which leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like when JW's come to your door pushing their magazines).

 

[Arc]

How could angels convert themselves from non-physical to physical beings. And more inportantly, how did they produce in themselves real male sex organs with real fertile sperm? Do angels have creative power like God to make themselves in any physical form they want?

Matt 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.


What is it about marriage that makes it unlike what the angels do?

Matt 19:4 “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’ ? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”


So how do we get male angels when angels don't procreate. Even if they could it wouldn't be with physical beings like women.


So Where did the "fallen angels" get the bodies and sperm from? If they created them from nothing then are they are creators like God? Why not? Couldn't they just create a whole universe? What is the limit to their power?

I think the limit to their power is that they remain "like the angels in heaven".

If you notice in Genesis 6 God is displeased with man. Interesting that it does not state that He is mad at the angels that perpetuated the problem. Then He floods the earth but can't seem to get them little angels under control because they come back in Num 13:33. Did God not realize that the flood wouldn't kill angels? Or were the sons of God really man?

 

[nephilimiyr]

You missed my point completely, the comment was not about you, not in the least. I never said you meant it as a challange to my faith. I said nothing of the sort. My point is that I do not feel the need to "defend" my position, because regardless of which interpretation is true, it means nothing to my faith.

Well you said it certainly wont pose a challenge to your faith. Now I suppose it all depends on what the meaning of it is but the it is what I have proposed as being the truth. No I didn't take what you said personally. I knew the it was referring to what my beliefs are which at the moment are different than yours.

I have not made this personal, I have not asserted you were wrong and called your honest attempts at discussion "lame". All I have done is answer the OP "What do you think about the Nephilim mentioned in Genesis?", and then provided some of the material that underlies the basis of my understanding. Then I was rudely attacked by someone too busy to "do this again". Sorry for having an opinion.

And all I did was answer the OP. I did not write anything in my first post as an answer to you. I made it in the shortest way I thought I possibly could so that Bro Gabriel could get the point. Straight forward and right to point. After that I let Bro. Gabriel know that what you wrote is wrong. It wasn't meant for you nor did I mean for it to be as an attack on you personally. If Bro. Gabriel wants the truth of the matter I was letting him know that the Sethite view is wrong.

Now after saying that I will say that you do deserve a heart felt apology from me and I am giving it. Please forgive me . By my attempt to keep things short and to the point I have come off as a boor. I should've spent a little more time explaining why you are wrong.

Look, I am sure you are a good intentioned Christian fellow, if you are ready to drop the rudeness I am ready to listen. Maybe if you start with a few post numbers from "Giants in the Bible", we can turn this into a real discussion. Better yet, you could actually discuss, instead of just saying "read this" (which leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like when JW's come to your door pushing their magazines).

I'm ready to drop the rudeness but I am not ready to get involved another long discuss on this. I spent alot of time and effort in that last thread and am right now alittle burnt out on the topic. I have already moved on to other things. In the last several days I have found myself drifting from the Lord and realize that I need to get back to worshipping Him, full time. When I do this I always come back feeling refreshed and rejuvenated!

Once again, sorry for the rudeness and perhaps when I find time I will pick out some good post numbers for you from that other thread and even make it easy for you and copy and paste them here.
It's the least I can do!

May the LORD by your shield of defence!