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NEO-Eugenics

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The owner of this site allows reposting of his literature, here are his words regarding this from http://www.neoeugenics.com/

"Any of the following articles that I have written are free for redistribution or republication. This includes editing, shortening, or elaborating on articles as desired to accomplish eugenic goals. Nothing else matters but the future."

And from http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/mission.htm

"The NeoEugenic Web Site was developed solely by Matt Nuenke, as a private project. Any material on this site can be used for the dissemination of these ideas and a eugenics' program without my permission."

The following is from http://www.neoeugenics.com/

"Playing God is indeed playing with fire. But that is what we mortals have done since Prometheus, the patron saint of dangerous discovery. We play with fire and take the consequences, because the alternative is cowardice in the face of the unknown." (Dworkin, 2000)

Humans are very much like our primate ancestors. Unfortunately, with our larger intelligent brains, we have acquired the ability to foresee our deaths as soon as we are able to understand life, at a very young age. With this horror, we have instead of facing life with knowledge that we have a brief time to live - a time to be made the most of - we have turned back to our primitive instincts and succumbed to religion, false beliefs, and submission to dominance by others.

The answer to this dilemma during most of this century, has been to try and change human culture, assuming it is infinitely malleable, leading to the agony of communism and the short comings of egalitarian democracies. And in the rest of the world, despotism reigns under numerous doctrines, with little hope for the people subjected to the state's propaganda. This web page is dedicated to putting forth the view that to change the human condition we must change the innate nature of humans, that is, we must encourage the breeding of people with a higher intellect, people better able to understand what motivates them and who can eventually revolt against the subjugation by the state or the controlling elite.

It is my contention that this can be done by focusing on innate human traits we want to promote through a better understanding of behavior genetics. But to promote eugenics as a secular religion, it becomes necessary to begin with a political agenda to bring it about. Much of what I advocate, in keeping with the understanding that evolution occurs at the genetic, individual and group levels, has to do with advancing both individual eugenics and group eugenics. That is, it appears that eugenics can only be advanced in a world where nations are free to advance their own interests without interference.

Anyone who is familiar with the United Nations, NATO, the European Economic Union, and the New World Order knows that we are on the brink of giving up national sovereignty for world totalitarianism, where a central committee will dictate to the masses how to think and behave. We see this happening now in Afghanistan and Iraq, where the United States has decided that it can attack any nation that disobey's America or possesses resources that America wants.

I advocate two primary future viable options for eugenics: a return to nationalism, where competing nations will experiment with various social and scientific agendas to raise their peoples to higher levels of intelligence, followed by other traits the population desires to promote; and/or, to increase group solidarity and practice eugenics without borders. The second one has been practiced by Jews for thousands of years, but it can be a dangerous road to follow for it invariably leads to group conflict in the nations where Jews dominate. Much of my writing has to do therefore not with the technology of eugenics but with human nature and how we react as competing groups.

Eugenics is here to stay, and the only question now is how severely will political forces try to stamp it out and what group or nation will be the victor in the end. But a more highly evolved human will be the result and this process will continue unabated into the future. Nietzsche's supermen are right around the corner waiting for their creator to begin the task. We are their creator; they are our children.

Finally, you may ask why so many of my articles are intertwined with the Jewish approach to eugenics and why I use them over and over again to make numerous points about human behavior AND about the need for eugenics. Jews are one of the few identifiable groups (actually, the Ashkenazi Jews specifically) who have practiced eugenics with tenacious success that has raised their intelligence to a remarkably high level, along with increasing group cohesiveness leading to extreme ethnocentrism or xenophobia. As a result, the Jewish people dominate areas of society which require high intelligence, such as the media, government, acadamia, finance, the industrial/business world, law, medicine, etc. I therefore believe that Jewish eugenics serves as a model for all other races to follow.

And from the East, I also see an emerging nationalism. It may be that the eugenic program I envision will take place in countries like Japan, Korea, China, Singapore, India, etc. They may be able to overcome the individualism and lack of solidarity found in the Christian West. Christianity may only be the expression of a people who are creative and intelligent, but lack Nietzsche's concept of "the will to power" necessary to turn against destructive sentimentality that prevails in the West. We have much to learn about what is genetic, and what is cultural. But if Christian morality is made up of a genetic weakness then a new species of human will have to come from the East, or from a hybridization of East and West. This issue will be taken up in detail as we learn more about what contributes to each civilization's inability to apply eugenics effectively. But competition between groups for intellectual superiority will be the driving force of eugenics - and nationalism is the formula for this friendly competition.

Eugenics at the individual level has been practiced for decades now, as intelligent people are going to college, understand genetics, and - on average - select those mates that have high intelligence and are free of genetic disease. This is assortative mating, and it will increase as equality of opportunity spreads, genetic testing becomes readily available, and knowledge of how genes make us what we are displaces the old notions of an infinitely malleable human nature. Much of what I write therefore, is an attempt to overthrow the grip that Marxist academics, religious fundamentalists, political egalitarians, and the media have over us - denying our genetic contribution to who we are. On the one hand, the press gives us numerous stories about genetics, while denying that it has any significance in who we ultimately become. This web site lays out the evidence, much of it recent, that shows that nature has a far more important role than nurture. This is meant to increase the awareness of individuals who will be having children with regards to the importance of genes, as well bringing about policy changes that are realistic goals for society. One indicator will be President Bush's "No Child Left Behind" program. When the polity finally accepts that educational attainment is as much genetics as it is money spent, then we will have turned the corner back to towards a balance between nature and nurture.

Eugenics at the group level has been active intellectually, and will follow in practice when enough people take up eugenics at a personal level to want to form groups for advancing their own group interests. Of course, eugenics has been practiced by the Jews as a group for over 2000 years, and can serve as a model for other groups to follow. The recently formed Raelians are another successful group, but their goal seems to be messianic as much as it is eugenic. Nevertheless, they are well funded, and well organized, to clone the first humans - an important tool for eugenics. Other groups will follow as the number of people interested in eugenics grows, along with the scientific advancements in genetic engineering and behavioral genetics.

Eugenics at the national level - that is one promoted by the state - is occurring in many countries from Singapore and China in the east to Sweden in the West. These programs are primarily monetary incentives, and often are targeted for increasing the overall number of births to at least replacement levels - or 2.1 children per couple, on average. In homogeneous societies, these eugenic programs can be carried out without the shrill cry of "racism," and can increasingly promote eugenics. For example, those with low intelligence can be offered economic incentives to be sterilized. Assuming that a welfare mom will have four children, and it will cost about $8,000 per year, per child, to try and educate the children as well as keep them out of prison - it would be cost effective for the state to pay close to $400,000 for voluntary sterilization. Likewise, tax incentives can be given to the most economically successful people who have children. The success of such a eugenics program is dependent on how aggressively it is pursued - meaning that competition between nations will accelerate the need for state sponsored eugenics programs in order to compete. Nations with a higher average intelligence, will be more competitive economically and more successful at promoting democracy - including direct democracy and the abolition of managerial state. As will be shown in the Middle East, democracies cannot be sustained without a high level of intelligence. So by increasing intelligence, it is my firm belief based on the empirical evidence, that humans can go beyond representative democracy and the welfare state to where violence, warfare, and class divisions can be greatly reduced. It may not be utopia, but it seems fairly universal that it is a world that most people are striving for - a world without class or racial conflict.
 

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Socrates1 said:
Eugenics at the national level - that is one promoted by the state - is occurring in many countries from Singapore and China in the east to Sweden in the West.

Oddly enough am I living in Sweden and that statement is simply untrue (but pretty **** amusing since we are so goody two shoes that we help the weakest people alot....).

What is the point of the article? It looks like the kind of result you would get by having a racist social science student disscusing how to enhance mankind...
 
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Oddly enough am I living in Sweden and that statement is simply untrue (but pretty **** amusing since we are so goody two shoes that we help the weakest people alot....).

You might want to check up on the laws. I read that Swedish government gives incentives for the brightest to have more offspring, a very mild form of eugenics.

Socrates.
 
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This is the naturalistic fallacy: because selection happens in nature, we ought to do it.

The real problem with any eugenics program is what do you select for? Natural selection balances disparate requirements of the environment: immune system vs physical strength vs intelligence vs brain size required vs energy requirements vs head size in delivery vs stability of the number of neurons vs ...

Eugenicists pick one or two of these variables and think that this is desirable without considering all the others.

What's worse, this guy wants it to be a national competition. He doesn't want us dictating to Afghanistan or Iraq because we have the greater military power; does he want Iraq dictating to us because it has the greater intelligence?

From the Valdemar series: "There is no one right way." Diversity and variation has always served evolution best. I see no reason to monkey with it.
 
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Tomas K said:
Oddly enough am I living in Sweden and that statement is simply untrue (but pretty **** amusing since we are so goody two shoes that we help the weakest people alot....).

What is the point of the article? It looks like the kind of result you would get by having a racist social science student disscusing how to enhance mankind...

Sweden has been concerned with birth rates like many countries. I believe the comment has to do with Sweden's policy of financial support for women who have children - they get part of their salary to stay at home and care for a child for a period of time. Since this impacts or costs the state more for women who are high paid professionals, it is a eugenic policy whether stated as such or not. Similarly, socialism can have dysgenic effects, whether intended or not.
 
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Socrates1 said:
You might want to check up on the laws. I read that Swedish government gives incentives for the brightest to have more offspring, a very mild form of eugenics.

Socrates.

Almost correct. Every child gets 900SEK (or something like that 8$=1SEK) per month from the government. However also during the first 2 years are you entitled to use special "parental days" which allows you to stay at home with 80% (or something close to that) of your incom while taking care of your kid.

You usually got enough parental days to stay at home for about a year and some of them are specifically tagged for the father.

The Swedish government might be abit inefficent but it's very nice to live here.
 
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China is the only country that overtly practices eugenics and quite aggressively. This is why it is predicted that they will be the new superpower of the world, while America heads towards Third-world status with its lax immigration policies and dysgenic trends.
Look, I see flying pigs!
 
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A more relevant and plausible application of eugenics is to place, encourage, or inform restrictions on biological reproduction between partners with a high genetic predisposition to non-trivial hereditary illnesses and defects.

This will become increasingly relevant as we continue to expand our knowledge of codings for such defects in the human genome.

God has given us the capacity to model, predict, and control our biological functions and processes to an ever increasing extent. Having this knowledge, we can not escape or hide from those obligations which arise from our new and expanding capacities and powers to prevent and constrain natural evil and dysfunction, although there are a variety of ways in which these obligations may be parsed out.
 
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inkidinkido said:
A more relevant and plausible application of eugenics is to place, encourage, or inform restrictions on biological reproduction between partners with a high genetic predisposition to non-trivial hereditary illnesses and defects.

This will become increasingly relevant as we continue to expand our knowledge of codings for such defects in the human genome.

God has given us the capacity to model, predict, and control our biological functions and processes to an ever increasing extent. Having this knowledge, we can not escape or hide from those obligations which arise from our new and expanding capacities and powers to prevent and constrain natural evil and dysfunction, although there are a variety of ways in which these obligations may be parsed out.

Eugenics was supported by most Christians in the early part of the 20th century, but then Professor Kevin MacDonald of California explains how this policy was distroyed by newly arriving Marxists from Russia and Europe.
 
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I guess its up to the Moderators, but I think Eugenics is an absolutely pertinent topic in a forum where the primary source of interest and discussion is evolution.

Eugenics is very alive today. In terms of evolutionary psychology, we know women select men who will have good genes. Sometimes women have to settle for a dad instead of a cad, but research shows when ovulating they are more likely to cuckold with a male that is a better specimen, so that the children will have better genes.

Eugenics is now called human genetic engineering, etc. But of course it is all around us, but we have been told by the academic left that it is pseudoscience. What is really pseudoscience is the Left's refusal to acknowledge race, racial differences, eugenics, high crime rates due to low intelligence rather than oppression, etc. Humans are easily indoctrinated. The academic left is the new "creationists" insisting that we toe the non-racialist line. It isn't science, it is Marxist brain washing. True science never comes to a conclusion or truth, it just gathers more and more knowledge. So whenever anyone says things like "we now races don't exist," or "eugenics isn't scientific," you fall into the trap of pseudoscience. Science, when pursued openly, is self-correcting, and always on-going. Now, go out and find that eugenically selected mate that will help you produce the best kids you can bargain for (unless you plan on raping someone - most of us settle for the best we can get).
 
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high crime rates due to low intelligence rather than oppression

Ignorance and intelligence are distinctly different, to claim that crime rates are high in Urban areas (for example) are due to low intelligence rather than a myriad of social and economic factors is just plain irresponsible.

Areas with high crime rates are often in low income areas. Low income means poorer schools, poorer schools mean they are less able to get good teachers/books/supplies, this means the children receive a less than par education. If someone is uneducated they are more likely to have a menial job, become parents sooner, live in the same low income area, and have uneducated children, thus perpetuating the cycle. Uneducated people are ignorant, not stupid. Providing people with a way to break the cycle of ignorance is not only benificial to them, but to society as a whole.

There are differences in the three major races, but none of them involve intelligence. Keep in mind that if there were people that didn't seek to help educate those people that are unable to do so themselves you would most likely be pushing a plow on some farm and expiring after 30 years in a heaped over arthritic mess.
 
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