Neo-Darwinian evolution is in trouble INSIDE the scientific community

[Speedwell]

Your assessment is off. Christianity is on tract. In 1900 there were 500 million Christians. Now there are 2.3+ billion. That's progress, about 1/3 of the planet (the remnant). Confused men with fabricated theories cannot thwart God's plan, He's sovereign.

Of which 2.3 billion only a relative handful are creationists

I don't think much interpretation is needed, just read it literally. It's written for a child to understand it.

Yes, the doctrine of Perspicuity. Not much held to outside of conservative Protestant Evangelicalism.
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[Subduction Zone]

Isaiah 40:22 says "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and it's people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy and spreads them out like a tent to live in."
If you are on the moon the earth would look like a circle, obviously not a flat circle.

But maybe you can use this verse to proof that we evolved from grasshoppers. Well, I'm going to hop away now.

Sorry, but circles are flat. Worse yet the verse that you picked out describes the Earth as a FLAT circle. The word used in Hebrew is that of an inscribed circle, as one would do with a compass. One can't make a sphere with a compass. You picked out a verse that clearly describes the world as flat and not a sphere.

We have been to the Moon, the people at that time had no clue. A reading of the Bible without knowledge of a spherical Earth would only confirm a flat Earth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually many of the morals taught in Aesop's Fables come from the Bible.
"A man is known by the company he keeps". > Spend a lot of time with people who are wise and become wise, likewise, hang with fools and become one.
Those who practice cunning must expect to suffer by it". > The wages of sin is death
"An evil mind will show by itself an evil action". > sinful ways
"Pride goes before destruction". > Pride comes before destruction.
"He who seeks to injure others often injures himself". > What you sow is what you reap.
"To enjoy our blessings we must have freedom". > You are not free until you are saved.

No, why do you think that? In fact I could claim it is the other way around. In fact most of the examples that you picked, perhaps all of them, appeared in Aesop's Fables first. The morals of Aesop largely predate the morals of the Bible.

 

[Ronald]

Of which 2.3 billion only a relative handful are creationists

You are right, we are all in God's hand.

 

[Ronald]

Sorry, but circles are flat. Worse yet the verse that you picked out describes the Earth as a FLAT circle. The word used in Hebrew is that of an inscribed circle, as one would do with a compass. One can't make a sphere with a compass. You picked out a verse that clearly describes the world as flat and not a sphere.

We have been to the Moon, the people at that time had no clue. A reading of the Bible without knowledge of a spherical Earth would only confirm a flat Earth.

"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth"? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! ... Have you ever given orders to the morning and shown the dawn its place? ... Have journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death? Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me, if you know all this. What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? Can you take them to their places? Have you entered the storehouses of the snow or seen the storehouses of the hail, which I reserve for times of trouble, for days of war and battle? What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed, or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth? ... Can you bind the beautiful Pleiades? Can you lose the cords of Orion? Can you bring forth the constellations in the seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you raise your voice to the clouds and cover yourself with a flood of water?" (various verses from Job 38)

My intention wasn't ever to convince you of the flaws in evolution nor the truths of the Bible. My intention was to warn you of the coming gloom and doom so that when it happens it will slap and the others in the face, for that will be you day of reckoning ... if you live long enough to see the LIGHT. Jesus is the Light of men and every eye will see him.

 

[Ronald]

No, why do you think that? In fact I could claim it is the other way around. In fact most of the examples that you picked, perhaps all of them, appeared in Aesop's Fables first. The morals of Aesop largely predate the morals of the Bible.

Job was written more than a thousand years before that and most of the Old Testament as well.
Well hold onto the your book of morals, see how that works.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth"? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! ... Have you ever given orders to the morning and shown the dawn its place? ... Have journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death? Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me, if you know all this. What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? Can you take them to their places? Have you entered the storehouses of the snow or seen the storehouses of the hail, which I reserve for times of trouble, for days of war and battle? What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed, or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth? ... Can you bind the beautiful Pleiades? Can you lose the cords of Orion? Can you bring forth the constellations in the seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you raise your voice to the clouds and cover yourself with a flood of water?" (various verses from Job 38)

My intention wasn't ever to convince you of the flaws in evolution nor the truths of the Bible. My intention was to warn you of the coming gloom and doom so that when it happens it will slap and the others in the face, for that will be you day of reckoning ... if you live long enough to see the LIGHT. Jesus is the Light of men and every eye will see him.

But we know that historically all announcers of "doom" have been wrong. You have no more evidence than any of them had, they only had their flawed interpretations of the Bible and you only have yours.

But thanks for another "flat Earth" verse.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Job was written more than a thousand years before that and most of the Old Testament as well.
Well hold onto the your book of morals, see how that works.

Actually most of the Old Testament is much more recent than you think. And no, Job was not written a thousand years before Aesop's fables. In fact it may post date them too:

"Ascribed by Rabbinic tradition to Moses, it is generally agreed by scholars that the book comes from the period between the 7th and 4th centuries BCE, with the 6th century BCE as the most likely date for a variety of reasons."

Book of Job - Wikipedia

 

[majj27]

Job was written more than a thousand years before that and most of the Old Testament as well.
Well hold onto the your book of morals, see how that works.

The wages of sin being death is from Romans 6, which follows Aesop's Fables by, what 600 years or more?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Your assessment is off. Christianity is on tract. In 1900 there were 500 million Christians. Now there are 2.3+ billion. That's progress, about 1/3 of the planet (the remnant). Confused men with fabricated theories cannot thwart God's plan, He's sovereign.

Human population in 1900 was 1.6 billion, thus, if your number of Christians at the time is correct, makes for 31.25% of the population Christian.

Currently, there are about 7.5 billion people. So, if your 2.3 billion number is correct, that makes about 30.67% of the current world population Christian. So, by percent, the number of Christians has gone down slightly. The only realistic way to look at this is that the overall number of Christians increased because the entire human population increased and not due to success at "spreading the word".

 

[Ronald]

Actually most of the Old Testament is much more recent than you think. And no, Job was not written a thousand years before Aesop's fables. In fact it may post date them too:

"Ascribed by Rabbinic tradition to Moses, it is generally agreed by scholars that the book comes from the period between the 7th and 4th centuries BCE, with the 6th century BCE as the most likely date for a variety of reasons."

Book of Job - Wikipedia

It's probably the oldest book in the Bible. Whatever man, you I really don't care to discuss the reliability of the Bible with you, you have no faith in God or the Bible - so we can't really agree on anything other than death -- even that is quite different than what you believe.

 

[Ronald]

Human population in 1900 was 1.6 billion, thus, if your number of Christians at the time is correct, makes for 31.25% of the population Christian.

Currently, there are about 7.5 billion people. So, if your 2.3 billion number is correct, that makes about 30.67% of the current world population Christian. So, by percent, the number of Christians has gone down slightly. The only realistic way to look at this is that the overall number of Christians increased because the entire human population increased and not due to success at "spreading the word".

God's flock seems to have been 1/3 all along ... oh well, the Devil gets most of em.

 

[PsychoSarah]

God's flock seems to have been 1/3 all along ... oh well, the Devil gets most of em.

There is always this problem: a large number of people that lived during and after Jesus's lifetime had 0 exposure to Christianity before they died.

If these people are held accountable for not believing something they had never even heard of, this is quite unjust. These people never even had a chance, and yet they are being punished anyways.

If these people aren't held accountable, it undermines spreading the word entirely. The easiest way to ensure that the most people go to heaven possible would be to burn every bible so no one is held accountable for worship and everyone goes to heaven.

Also, "oh well"? That's how you feel about the majority of people burning forever on the basis that they didn't worship the right god?

 

[Ronald]

The wages of sin being death is from Romans 6, which follows Aesop's Fables by, what 600 years or more?

Well Romans 6 came after, that is true, but DEATH entered the world in the Garden of Eden! You being a Christian would argue in favor of Aesop's fables being more original than God's Word ... that came from God ... and was in His thoughts even before Creation?
Maybe it's time to change churches - especially since yours seems to teach evolution.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Your assessment is off. Christianity is on tract. In 1900 there were 500 million Christians. Now there are 2.3+ billion. That's progress, about 1/3 of the planet (the remnant). Confused men with fabricated theories cannot thwart God's plan, He's sovereign.

Christianity != creationism.

Islam is currently the world's fastest growing religion, but all religions are predicted to grow slowly (except Buddhism) on continents other than Europe, where they're expected to continue to decline. It would be nice if Europe was the template for an enlightened age of reason, but I suspect a slow general regression into a new dark age as mass migration from tropical regions stokes cultural and religious conflagrations. On the bright side, I won't be around to see it

 

[majj27]

Well Romans 6 came after, that is true, but DEATH entered the world in the Garden of Eden! You being a Christian would argue in favor of Aesop's fables being more original than God's Word ... that came from God ... and was in His thoughts even before Creation?
Maybe it's time to change churches - especially since yours seems to teach evolution.

Are you implying I'm not Christian enough for you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's probably the oldest book in the Bible. Whatever man, you I really don't care to discuss the reliability of the Bible with you, you have no faith in God or the Bible - so we can't really agree on anything other than death -- even that is quite different than what you believe.

Yes, it is probably the oldest book in the Bible. But as I said, it is much younger than you think it is.

Haven't you studied the history of your Bible at all?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well Romans 6 came after, that is true, but DEATH entered the world in the Garden of Eden! You being a Christian would argue in favor of Aesop's fables being more original than God's Word ... that came from God ... and was in His thoughts even before Creation?
Maybe it's time to change churches - especially since yours seems to teach evolution.

No, death has been in this world for billions of years. And why do you keep repeating your errors?

Once again, have you ever studied the history of your Bible?

 

[Ronald]

Christianity != creationism.

Islam is currently the world's fastest growing religion, but all religions are predicted to grow slowly (except Buddhism) on continents other than Europe, where they're expected to continue to decline. It would be nice if Europe was the template for an enlightened age of reason, but I suspect a slow general regression into a new dark age as mass migration from tropical regions stokes cultural and religious conflagrations. On the bright side, I won't be around to see it

You'll be around to see a temporal Dark Age, The Great Tribulation

 

[Ronald]

Are you implying I'm not Christian enough for you?

If you can't interpret what I just said, implication and all, without distorting it, how can you be expected to understand scripture. You turned my post into some symbolic hidden meaning ... as well as you turn what is meant to be read literally in the Bible to some distorted hidden meaning. I did not say you weren't Christian, I could not see into your heart. I just said, some churches teach or influence their flock to accept misinterpretations and so maybe move to another church.