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Ok, here is the thing. I could use some resources, preferably on the net, that speak to the anti Luther stories. Such as, he was a drunk, a womanizer, went to brothels, polygamy. antisemite. Preferably someone who is not a Lutheran theologian. I have found some stuff that a James Swan has written but do not know too much about him. Do you think his stuff is good.

This is his blog where there are links to stuff he has written about Luther. http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/

Thanks for your input.
 

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Well, I do my best. I'm thinking of actually doing a book-

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James


Ok, here is the thing. I could use some resources, preferably on the net, that speak to the anti Luther stories. Such as, he was a drunk, a womanizer, went to brothels, polygamy. antisemite. Preferably someone who is not a Lutheran theologian. I have found some stuff that a James Swan has written but do not know too much about him. Do you think his stuff is good.

This is his blog where there are links to stuff he has written about Luther. http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/

Thanks for your input.
 
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Well, I do my best. I'm thinking of actually doing a book-

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Thanks. I really appreciate all the research you have done on Dr. Luther.

I asked for the people in the discussion (on another site) to find me where all these negative things were said and asked for unbias (non RC or Luther) writers. I kept getting the writings of Father O'Hare. One even thought they were giving me a link from another source but it mainly quoted Father O'Hare. I had given links to your sites and had to ask a second time for the posters to read what you had to write before writing anything more. There have been no more posts.

I hate it when people take things out of context.

I have bookmarked your site for future reference as these discussions are always coming up.

Now a book would be great!
God Bless
 
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I kept getting the writings of Father O'Hare. One even thought they were giving me a link from another source but it mainly quoted Father O'Hare.

I have seen that O'Hare's book is cited less-frequently than it used to be, say, four or five years ago. One particular popular internet Catholic apoloigst pulled all the O'Hare quotes off his web site after I pointed out the unreliability of O'Hare's work.

Somewhere, I have a PDF file of a book by the Lutheran scholar, W.H.T. Dau, Luther Examined and Reexamined: A Review of Catholic Criticism and a Plea for Reevaluation (St Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1917). If you're really interested in having a reliable, quotable source for information on this subject, I can send it to you via e-mail (contact me via my blog, if you're interested).

Dau was a contemporary of O'Hare. He say's of O'Hare's book:

"Quite recently a Catholic writer has told the world in one chapter of his book that "the apostate monk of Wittenberg" was possessed of "a violent, despotic, and uncontrolled nature," that he was "depraved in manners and in speech." He speaks of Luther's "ungovernable transports, riotous proceedings, angry conflicts, and intemperate controversies," of Luther's "contempt of all
the accepted forms of human right and all authority, human and divine," of "his unscrupulous mendacity," "his perverse principles," "his wild pronouncements." He calls Luther "a lawless one," "one of the most intolerant of men," "a revolutionist, not a reformer." He says that Luther "attempted reformation and ended in deformation." He charges Luther with having written and preached "not for, but against good works," with having assumed rights to himself in the matter of liberty of conscience which "he unhesitatingly and imperiously denied to all who differed from him," with having "rent asunder the unity of the Church," with having "disgraced the Church by a notoriously wicked and scandalous life," with having "declared it to be the right of every man to interpret the Bible to his own individual conception," with "one day proclaiming the binding force of the Ten Commandments and the next declaring they were not obligatory on Christian observance," with having "reviled and hated and cursed the Church of his fathers."

"These opprobrious remarks are only a part of the vileness of which the writer has delivered himself in his first chapter. His whole book bristles with assertions of Luther's inveterate badness. This coarse and crooked Luther, we are told, is the real Luther, the genuine article. The Luther of history is only a Protestant fiction. Protestants like Prof. Seeberg of Berlin, and others, who have criticized Luther, are introduced as witnesses for the Catholic allegation that Luther was a thoroughly bad man. We should like to ascertain the feelings of these Protestants when they are informed what use has been made of their remarks about Luther. Some of them may yet let the world know what they think of the attempt to make them the squires of such knights errant as Denifle and Grisar."

"The book of Mgr. O'Hare, which has made its appearance on the eve of the Four−hundredth Anniversary of Luther's Theses, is merely another eruption from the same mud volcano that became active in Luther's lifetime. It is the old dirt that has come forth. Rome must periodically relieve itself in this manner, or burst. Rome hated the living Luther, and cannot forget him since he is dead. It hates him still. Its hatred is become full−grown, robust, vigorous with the advancing years. When Rome speaks its mind about Luther, it cannot but speak in terms of malignant scorn. If Luther could read Mgr. O'Hare's book, he would say: "Wes das Herz voll ist, des gehet der Mund ueber." (Matt. 12, 34: "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.")"

Regards,
James
 
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