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any chance i could convince you to let a licensed psychiatrist examine her first? these....for lack of a better word exorcisms dont always leave the person you exorcise uninjured.

Lol.... I am not tying her to a bed and going through a hollywood form of exorcism. We are gathering members of local clergy together to do bible studies in order to build her faith. Her faith is the defense against it. And we will simply cast it out. There is no need for physical aggression.

Furthermore... how would a psychiatrist explain what the other witnesses heard? How would he explain what her husband... who is an atheist... witnessed? I've known this person for 15 years. She's not mentally ill. She's under assault.
 
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Lol.... I am not tying her to a bed and going through a hollywood form of exorcism. We are gathering members of local clergy together to do bible studies in order to build her faith. Her faith is the defense against it. And we will simply cast it out. There is no need for physical aggression.

Furthermore... how would a psychiatrist explain what the other witnesses heard? How would he explain what her husband... who is an atheist... witnessed? I've known this person for 15 years. She's not mentally ill. She's under assault.

Do what you like, but mental health professionals are trained to diagnose issues, that you or others can't.
 
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Before you make any attempt to cast this spirit out , look up Familiar spirits on line , this will direct to scriptures in the Bible dealing with such issues .

By playing with the occult , and even with the psychic , without knowing it she gave the demon entry to her life .

Many Christians have never had any experience with supernatural things , I grew up the daughter of a Pentecostals minister with a Grandmother who pastored a Pentecostals church . I have witnessed demons being cased out of people on occasions , I have seen them talking through people . I know what you are speaking of is very real . Satan is a deceiver the Bible refers to him as the father of all lies . One of his greatest deceptions has been to convince the word that he does not exist .

You must get a copy of the Deliverance manual by Gene Moody . I think it may be available on line as well . This ministered published this manual many years ago to help with situation like this . I Pray that it helps .

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Brothers and Sisters , how can we say we are Christians when we don't believe the word of God , the very thing we base out faith on . My faith is not based on what I see or what my mine or the mines of carnal men think . it is based on the literal Word of God , and every word of it is true.

Did not even Jesus have encounters with satan , and demons . The spirit word excise. Angels and fallen angels ( demons) , or is the bible a lie or a fable .

Do you believe some of the word and doubt the remain , and if so what part do you believe to be true , and by what measure are you wise enough to divide the truth.

I encourage each and every one of us to study the Word and ask God to give us a ear to hear and understand what the spirit is saying , to continually develop our relationships with our awesome God.

Thank you very much. I will look up the book and use it in preparation.

As far as witnessing these things..... it's strange for me.... 10 years ago I was a complete skeptic. I was not a Christian. Since being filled with the spirit... I've seen a lot of things that I cannot explain. And I believe.
 
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Lol.... I am not tying her to a bed and going through a hollywood form of exorcism. We are gathering members of local clergy together to do bible studies in order to build her faith. Her faith is the defense against it. And we will simply cast it out. There is no need for physical aggression.

The injuries might not be physical.

If you treat a psychiatric problem like a spiritual problem, you can make the psychiatric condition worse.

As someone else said, it could be like going to the mechanic when you are sick.
 
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we have not yet established that this is anything more then a psychological problem, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this person say merely believes she was possessed. my concern for the persons safety overrides my intrigue into the occult.

Others have witnessed it. Not only internally but externally. To include her husband who is an atheist. This is not a case where someone is mentally ill. Trust me... my first advice would be the same as yours. If someone came to me with this.... my first advice would be to seek out a natural cause. There is no physical ailment which causes things to be thrown around your house. There is no physical ailment which causes others to hear the demon while praying for her.

When she was originally having problems.... before it became what it is... my suggestion was to seek out help. But knowing her.... knowing her past... I do not believe this is a result of mental illness. She has no history of it. Her family has no history of it. And once again.... it cannot explain the fact that others have experienced and witnessed it. The fact is.... a spirit/demon is assaulting her. And it needs to go. That sounds incredibly crazy to people who have never witnessed it before. If I were reading this 10 years ago... I would have laughed. The fact is.... demons are real.... the devil is real... and he roams the land like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. Most of the time it's in an abstract way. The devil impedes on people's lives through addiction, sexual perversion, or other things which go against the spirit. But on occasion.... he will outright attack people. I do not know the cause of it. I do not know why she was selected as a victim. But I know that she is incredibly scared. And I'm going to help her. Because as Christians.... god told us to do so.
 
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Others have witnessed it. Not only internally but externally. ... And once again.... it cannot explain the fact that others have experienced and witnessed it. The fact is.... a spirit/demon is assaulting her.

I know you're very concerned about her, and that should take priority, but if you could provide evidence of this demon, it could be a powerful testimony to unbelievers like me.
 
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No, seriously, if there was solid evidence of the supernatural, that would be truly amazing and earthshattering news. But instead, what we usually get is...

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And if you treat a spiritual problem like it's a psychiatric problem, you can make the spiritual problem worse.
I'm not saying that it IS possession - because I don't know that it is. I'm just saying that qua your doctrinal stance, your opinion doesn't really count for much, since for you the matter is already settled a priori.



You're yanking the guy's chain, and you know it.

Do you have evidence that demonic possession exists?
 
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Oh no.. I'm not playing this game with you.
And I'm not going to let you paint me as someone who sees demons everywhere. Especially not when I've pointed out more than once that it's not certain that it IS a demon.

How old is the woman plagued by the demon? Also, have there been any significant changes in her life prior to her troubles, good or bad? These are important, psychologically and spiritually. I am not mocking you or any other such nonsense, I assure you, I will approach this from all angles. From what you described in your first post, this sounds almost more like a haunting than a possession. That she moved to a new house is critical, to test for the difference between a haunting and a possession, if she leaves the house this crap should not happen to her until she returns. In a possession, it follows you no matter where you go. Any recent deaths, both in or around the house as well as anyone she knows would also be good to know about. The occult stuff that far back shouldn't do anything, especially considering she didn't do it in the house.

I also say haunting more than exorcism because the more attention given to it, the worse it continued to get. Hauntings are fueled and worsened by strong emotions and attention, so the more you pay attention to them, the worse they get. Change triggers them too.

As far as I am aware, you can't really exorcise hauntings, but you can live with them so long as you are mindful of it. Most will calm down to a livable degree so long as you keep the environment stable and stop paying attention to it.

But if it is really one of these two things, it is critical to find out which one because all that I said is precisely what not to do with a possession. Possessive entities seek to isolate and tire their victims, which they attach to and follow wherever they go. Houses can be possessed, as can other objects, and worse possession can transfer, unlike a haunting which is confined typically to one item or person.

As for the Jesus thing... it is actually fairly common for violent hauntings to react to that stuff similarly to how you would expect a demon to, especially if it fits the religion of the geographic area. A thing to try would be to bring in a religious article that isn't Christian. Perhaps a little Buddha figure, or a Hindu luck charm? Demon related hauntings and possessions react to those differently than hauntings sourced differently, though I won't tell you how least the crafty things try to imitate your expectations. Not until you see the results or hear about them. I warn you though, doing that could make things escalate very quickly, and you should probably have some cameras around.

In order of danger from greatest to least:
Demonic possession: worst "cases", still of course uncomfirmed as are all of these really, the possessed person dies and the demon attaches to a new victim. Will usually target one person far more heavily than others who live in the house. Exorcism is just as dangerous as the possession.
Demonic haunting: can make the environment unbearable to live in, but usually won't result in human death. Wish I could say the same for smaller animals. Impressionable people targeted. Exorcism can occur without much resistence, if done right.
Other possession: usually will be more like an attachment than anything else, what makes it bad is that the possession can move around, leaving victims without escape. If violent, will target one person heavily, or will target those who get close to the object it possesses. Exorcism has mixed results. Death exceedingly rare.
Other haunting: restricted to one general area, and exorcism is usually not warranted. Have periods of extremely heavy activity following changes in the environment, and declines when the environment remains stable. Can eventually fade away on their own.

I am going off of years ago when I hardcore actually believed in this stuff.
 
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How old is the woman plagued by the demon? Also, have there been any significant changes in her life prior to her troubles, good or bad? These are important, psychologically and spiritually. I am not mocking you or any other such nonsense, I assure you, I will approach this from all angles. From what you described in your first post, this sounds almost more like a haunting than a possession. That she moved to a new house is critical, to test for the difference between a haunting and a possession, if she leaves the house this crap should not happen to her until she returns. In a possession, it follows you no matter where you go. Any recent deaths, both in or around the house as well as anyone she knows would also be good to know about. The occult stuff that far back shouldn't do anything, especially considering she didn't do it in the house.

I also say haunting more than exorcism because the more attention given to it, the worse it continued to get. Hauntings are fueled and worsened by strong emotions and attention, so the more you pay attention to them, the worse they get. Change triggers them too.

As far as I am aware, you can't really exorcise hauntings, but you can live with them so long as you are mindful of it. Most will calm down to a livable degree so long as you keep the environment stable and stop paying attention to it.

But if it is really one of these two things, it is critical to find out which one because all that I said is precisely what not to do with a possession. Possessive entities seek to isolate and tire their victims, which they attach to and follow wherever they go. Houses can be possessed, as can other objects, and worse possession can transfer, unlike a haunting which is confined typically to one item or person.

As for the Jesus thing... it is actually fairly common for violent hauntings to react to that stuff similarly to how you would expect a demon to, especially if it fits the religion of the geographic area. A thing to try would be to bring in a religious article that isn't Christian. Perhaps a little Buddha figure, or a Hindu luck charm? Demon related hauntings and possessions react to those differently than hauntings sourced differently, though I won't tell you how least the crafty things try to imitate your expectations. Not until you see the results or hear about them. I warn you though, doing that could make things escalate very quickly, and you should probably have some cameras around.

Thanks for the advice. I will dive in and try to determine more about the situation. As far as I can tell.... this thing is attached to her. The symptoms elevated when they moved. Which indicates a haunting. But it has reached a point it follows her everywhere.

There are no recent deaths to my knowledge. But her mother has been battling cancer and lives with them. The demon has been telling her that it is the cause of her mothers cancer. It has her completely freaked out. I've told her that it unlikely. The fact is... we are mortal. We live and then we die. IMO the demon is simply trying to wear her down. She went from a very positive person to very self hating. And of course it's actually manifesting itself to her... and others... indicating it's latched on. Demons do not typically manifest themselves in physical form. They simply don't need to. But in this case.... it is.... in a variety of ways. The point is terror. It's intimidating her. And showing power over her.

Thanks for the reply. I will try to gather more information. But I am not inclined to use camera's etc. As I mentioned before.... this happened to someone else I know... and though I had no part in it... the focus of the victim as well as those trying to help her.... because investigation rather than eliminating it. Therefore the spirit grew with her. She became fascinated by it. She began speaking to it all the time. And now it dominates her life. She tells it she loves it. It speaks lies to her. It's ruined much of her family ties etc etc etc.

I don't want that to happen here. I'm not looking to prove anything to the greater community. Nor am I interested in encouraging her to do so. If we involve camera's etc.... the footage will be destroyed when we are done. This will not turn into some "high stakes ghost hunters." This is real. And it's a real life. This is not some minor fascination with noises, sounds, and things that go bump in the night. This is destroying her mentally and physically.

I believe in the power of god. I believe in the wisdom and faith of those we've assembled. I believe god called us to cast out spirits in his name. And I'm hopeful that we can do so. More... I'm hopeful we can build her up so that if/when it comes back.... she will have a defense in god.
 
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I know you're very concerned about her, and that should take priority, but if you could provide evidence of this demon, it could be a powerful testimony to unbelievers like me.

I am sure there is plenty of evidence out there if you choose to look. This is not a situation to be exploited for the discussion of others. Especially considering that if we approach it.... and we are tempted to use it for that purpose... we may encourage it. As I previously stated.... I'm currently in a state of fasting and prayer. I'm disciplining myself and getting deeper into the word. I would not want to turn this into a circus. The goal is to cast this thing out and give her a defense against it in the future. I believe it will be a long process requiring much prayer and bible study.

But in all honesty... if you want evidence of these things I'm sure there is some available. Personally... I had never encountered anything like this before becoming a Christian. And I would have laughed at anything I saw. I would have explained it off one way or another. I would expect someone who is not a believer to do the same. It is not a flaw. It's simply human nature. Besides.... if you want to follow god (not implying you do) then you should do so because of god.... not demons. I did not become a Christian out of fear of hell. Because I did not believe in hell. I became a Christian because the holy spirit moved me. A man prayed for me and something changed. I cannot explain it. I can only say that from that day on... I was not the same. I do not believe "atheists are evil." In fact... I led many of my friends away from god when I did not believe. I have those same friends today. And I'm trying to repair the damage done. But ultimately... each must see for himself and for the right reasons.

If I wanted to prove the existence of god... I would use the works of god... not the devil.
 
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Thanks for the advice. I will dive in and try to determine more about the situation. As far as I can tell.... this thing is attached to her. The symptoms elevated when they moved. Which indicates a haunting. But it has reached a point it follows her everywhere.

There are no recent deaths to my knowledge. But her mother has been battling cancer and lives with them. The demon has been telling her that it is the cause of her mothers cancer. It has her completely freaked out. I've told her that it unlikely. The fact is... we are mortal. We live and then we die. IMO the demon is simply trying to wear her down. She went from a very positive person to very self hating. And of course it's actually manifesting itself to her... and others... indicating it's latched on. Demons do not typically manifest themselves in physical form. They simply don't need to. But in this case.... it is.... in a variety of ways. The point is terror. It's intimidating her. And showing power over her.

Thanks for the reply. I will try to gather more information. But I am not inclined to use camera's etc. As I mentioned before.... this happened to someone else I know... and though I had no part in it... the focus of the victim as well as those trying to help her.... because investigation rather than eliminating it. Therefore the spirit grew with her. She became fascinated by it. She began speaking to it all the time. And now it dominates her life. She tells it she loves it. It speaks lies to her. It's ruined much of her family ties etc etc etc.

I don't want that to happen here. I'm not looking to prove anything to the greater community. Nor am I interested in encouraging her to do so. If we involve camera's etc.... the footage will be destroyed when we are done. This will not turn into some "high stakes ghost hunters." This is real. And it's a real life. This is not some minor fascination with noises, sounds, and things that go bump in the night. This is destroying her mentally and physically.

I believe in the power of god. I believe in the wisdom and faith of those we've assembled. I believe god called us to cast out spirits in his name. And I'm hopeful that we can do so. More... I'm hopeful we can build her up so that if/when it comes back.... she will have a defense in god.

Ah, I see. This... entity is not the cause of her mother's cancer, of that I can assure you. Rather, it is feeding off of the inner negativity the victim is feeling in regards to the cancer. If this is the case, the activity should only occur while she is present. It isn't probably latched onto her, though I am not shocked that you think it is, given how much the activity is fueled by her emotions. It isn't causing the cancer, the cancer in an indirect way is causing it.

That she is talking to it like that is worrisome, however. Non demonic entities don't usually do that, especially not violent ones. Violent entities that aren't demonic usually try to drive people away, not communicate with them beyond insult or just angry screaming and threats. If it isn't demonic, it certainly would be the worst possible alternative. A being which has been impressed upon by negative living beings. Those living beings don't even have to be dead to mess up an environment for decades to come.

I really advise the non Christian idol test, your friend probably won't mind having a foreign good luck charm in the house anyways. Demons and non demons react to these in distinctly different ways, but for the sake of the test again I won't say in what way.

This is beginning to sound more like a demonic haunting, if I go by your account. How is the health of your friend doing? Also, how long has this been going on? This is critical because demonic possessions tend to get very bad very fast, sometimes within a month they become life threatening.

The cameras are to observe what you might otherwise not see. In both hauntings and possessions there is often critical activity you don't notice or see; demons will hide the more extreme things they do, and other entities do little things you wouldn't notice the effects of, such as sliding a chair a few inches while you are sleeping.
 
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They are not trained in spiritual matters.

I regret to inform you that even most religious officials wouldn't know how to deal with this sort of problem. It is to religion as cryptozoology is to life science. Mostly viewed as silly and an embarrassment.
 
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I regret to inform you that even most religious officials wouldn't know how to deal with this sort of problem. It is to religion as cryptozoology is to life science. Mostly viewed as silly and an embarrassment.

I agree that many religious officials would not know how to deal with this problem. Religion is man mad , and many times does not agree with scripture . However the Bible supports the existence of demons. I know it to be true, I have witnessed it in services more than once.
 
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I agree that many religious officials would not know how to deal with this problem. Religion is man mad , and many times does not agree with scripture . However the Bible supports the existence of demons. I know it to be true, I have witnessed it in services more than once.

Ok... but even the bible doesn't cover how to deal with exorcisms very well. It says how to ward off demons to an extent, but still stuff in it is unclear.

You have seen exorcisms in person?
 
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Lol.... I am not tying her to a bed and going through a hollywood form of exorcism. We are gathering members of local clergy together to do bible studies in order to build her faith. Her faith is the defense against it. And we will simply cast it out. There is no need for physical aggression.

Furthermore... how would a psychiatrist explain what the other witnesses heard? How would he explain what her husband... who is an atheist... witnessed? I've known this person for 15 years. She's not mentally ill. She's under assault.

Suggestibility. Derren Brown has some excellent videos demonstrating the power of suggestibility.
 
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I am sure there is plenty of evidence out there if you choose to look. This is not a situation to be exploited for the discussion of others. Especially considering that if we approach it.... and we are tempted to use it for that purpose... we may encourage it. As I previously stated.... I'm currently in a state of fasting and prayer. I'm disciplining myself and getting deeper into the word. I would not want to turn this into a circus. The goal is to cast this thing out and give her a defense against it in the future. I believe it will be a long process requiring much prayer and bible study.

But in all honesty... if you want evidence of these things I'm sure there is some available. Personally... I had never encountered anything like this before becoming a Christian.

Doesn't that suggest something to you? The fact that you've only encountered demonic forces like this after you started believing that demonic forces were real?

Please don't discount what I am suggesting to you simply because I am not a Christian. I once believed in the reality of demonic forces. When I was younger, my parents were very superstitious, and for a while the threat of a demonic influence loomed large over our family. Eventually it reached a point where everything strange or bad that happened was attributed to the workings of some malevolent spirit.

We sought spiritual assistance from various pastors, many of whom came to our house to drive the spirit out. Of course it never worked. As a child, I was prone to sleep problems, including hypnagogic hallucinations and sleep paralysis. These conditions are terrifying enough without attributing them to some demon!

I don't know how or why, but eventually my parents abandoned superstition, and lo and behold the demons were suddenly vanquished.
 
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