Nebraska mother sentenced to 2 years for helping her daughter get illegal abortion and dispose of fetus (daughter got 90 days)

[Ceallaigh]

Unless they wouldn't have. For any number of reasons...miscarriage, stillbirth, any number of accidents, diseases, etc.

You're just randomly speculating now.

-- A2SG, not sure if there's a point somewhere in there, but that's not really my problem, so....

There's no point and no valid argument from you. Miscarriage and stillborn doesn't apply to a living human inside a womb. You have to color inside the lines. You're not taking into account that I said "most" not "all".

 

[Pommer]

Right. He said it wasn't a human being.

Embryos?
Human,
not “human being”.

 

[RileyG]

Now much did your state spend on WIC in the past five years?

Great question! I do not know....we Nebraskans still want to protect life at all costs.

 

[A2SG]

Right. He said it wasn't a human being.

I don't think so. It sounded more like he was responding to your criteria.

But, in any event, he never said the species of the embryo wasn't human. That much is certain.

-- A2SG, not like he needs me to make his arguments for him, he does quite well on his own....

 

[A2SG]

There's no point and no valid argument from you.

I don't recall making an argument. What argument do you think I made, exactly?

I was simply clarifying factual information.

Miscarriage and stillborn doesn't apply to a living human inside a womb.

They do when the embryo or fetus doesn't survive, for whatever reason. Without any intervention whatsoever.

You have to color inside the lines. You're not taking into account that I said "most" not "all".

You're still off. Roughly half of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, most often before the woman even knows she's pregnant. That doesn't leave much room for "most".

At best, you could say "some." Or "roughly half" if you prefer.

"Most" is stretching it.

-- A2SG, just to be accurate, ya know....

 

[Pommer]

Great question! I do not know....we Nebraskans still want to protect life at all costs.

The good news is that your state is consistent in its use of WIC through the years, the bad news is that I can clearly tell you you’re only “pro-birth” and care little about “post-birth” life affirming spending.

 

[Belk]

Great question! I do not know....we Nebraskans still want to protect life at all costs.

No, it appears to want to very much limit the costs. Otherwise they would deal with the financial underpinnings that cause women to seek abortions.

 

[Lukaris]

Regrettable as it might be, Roe v Wade should have remained in place. Pro life should be a matter of spiritual law & warfare ( Ephesians 6:12-18, Romans 13:8-10 etc.). Emergency considerations aside, the church should educate the laity spiritually & most carefully ( Matthew 7:1-12) that abortion should be unthinkable for Christians. Pro life needs to be taught within the churches and as part within a greater evangelical mission. Most people who support abortion as a right are not murderers at heart. I do believe leftist oriented partial birth abortion initiatives are outright murder and go beyond the scope of Roe v Wade.

 

[RileyG]

The good news is that your state is consistent in its use of WIC through the years, the bad news is that I can clearly tell you you’re only “pro-birth” and care little about “post-birth” life affirming spending.

I am pro-life through and through. I believe in helping people from womb to tomb. I am not so-called "pro-birth."

 

[Pommer]

I am pro-life through and through. I believe in helping people from womb to tomb. I am not so-called "pro-birth."

Okay, I’ll take yer word fer it, sorry.

 

[USincognito]

In a socialist society where they tell you when to breath. I think that is to harsh. Should have been given to the abortionist. The mother and daughter should have been confined to taking care of babies in a hospital nursery

There goes my irony meter.

 

[USincognito]

That, and make sure they have permission from a male family member before traveling, because not all states are going to have appropriately strict laws like these.

And a note from their pastor.

 

[RileyG]

Okay, I’ll take yer word fer it, sorry.

it's all good

 

[KCfromNC]

And a note from their pastor.

That's fine, just as long as they check with a man for permission one way or the other.

 

[JSRG]

Regrettable as it might be, Roe v Wade should have remained in place. Pro life should be a matter of spiritual law & warfare ( Ephesians 6:12-18, Romans 13:8-10 etc.). Emergency considerations aside, the church should educate the laity spiritually & most carefully ( Matthew 7:1-12) that abortion should be unthinkable for Christians. Pro life needs to be taught within the churches and as part within a greater evangelical mission. Most people who support abortion as a right are not murderers at heart. I do believe leftist oriented partial birth abortion initiatives are outright murder and go beyond the scope of Roe v Wade.

I feel it shouldn't have remained in place for one very simple reason: I feel it was a blatantly wrong decision that appears to have been based on the policy preferences of the judges rather than any plausible reading of the Constitution.

 

[rjs330]

Execution. That'll teach her!

Is that the usual penalty for murder?

 

[rjs330]

If you don’t have any evidence to support your opinion why should anyone give a credence to it?

You’re guessing that banning abortion will reduce abortions when there is no evidence to suggest that it would.

Would you support sex ed and free birth control which HAS been shown to reduce abortion?

After all, what works is surely the best choice, right?

What evidence would it take for you to give credence to their opinion? From what I've seen in previous conversations it doesn't matter what evidence is presented.

 

[rjs330]

Tell you what, I'll rephrase; most living human beings killed in the womb likely would have continued as living human beings outside of the womb the same as most people like you and me.

I admire you for continuing to try to communicate your idea. It's interesting how some will focus on the minutea of a single word instead of addressing the actual concept. I knew what you were trying to get across and quite frankly I have great difficulty believing others did not. Especially when they have been on these forums for a while and participated in threads on a particular subject like abortion.

 

[USincognito]

Is that the usual penalty for murder?

Not in most states, but no murder was committed so your question is irrelevant.

 

[Ceallaigh]

I admire you for continuing to try to communicate your idea. It's interesting how some will focus on the minutea of a single word instead of addressing the actual concept. I knew what you were trying to get across and quite frankly I have great difficulty believing others did not. Especially when they have been on these forums for a while and participated in threads on a particular subject like abortion.

I think some are just here to toy with Christians.