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To the sound minded person who has one, with some length and detail. And someone with faith. Like Abraham, for him it is true for another it is not clear.Do I understand you to say that NDEs are equivalent to revelation from God?
But don't you see the problem? If someone is persuaded they have faith and is of supposedly sound mind, they would consider the information they receive from their NDE to be on par with scripture, except because it was a personal experience, they would put it above scripture. And now these experiences would be driving their faith, rather than trustworthy knowledge from scripture. It seems to be a recipe for apostasy.To the sound minded person who has one, with some length and detail. And someone with faith. Like Abraham, for him it is true for another it is not clear.
I saw Howard Storm's NDE account on YouTube in 12 parts. I read his book and called him by phone about ten times. He returned from atheism to the church he grew up in, and respects other churches and even other religions. He sees faults in Paul the apostle. Not a hard submitter. He gained his own revelation of God's love. For him ET is certainly real, and his church does not restrain him. He used to go on mission trips. It to him was a solid experience that led to scripture from a biased angle.But don't you see the problem? If someone is persuaded they have faith and is of supposedly sound mind, they would consider the information they receive from their NDE to be on par with scripture, except because it was a personal experience, they would put it above scripture. And now these experiences would be driving their faith, rather than trustworthy knowledge from scripture. It seems to be a recipe for apostasy.
None of which answers my objections.I saw Howard Storm's NDE account on YouTube in 12 parts. I read his book and called him by phone about ten times. He returned from atheism to the church he grew up in, and respects other churches and even other religions. He sees faults in Paul the apostle. Not a hard submitter. He gained his own revelation of God's love. For him ET is certainly real, and his church does not restrain him. He used to go on mission trips. It to him was a solid experience that led to scripture from a biased angle.
And in NDEs, always Jesus does not name a most true church and even people in other religions if they practice good compassion, go on into the light. Classic Pentecostal teaching says you must be born again and baptized, or your fate is unsure... but NDEs reveal mercy and 1 Timothy 4:10 is highlighted instead of John 3.
If they believe in re-incarnation there is apostasy, but if they no longer expect to see the great white throne of judgment but instead in a life review then that is better than scriptural literalism.But don't you see the problem? If someone is persuaded they have faith and is of supposedly sound mind, they would consider the information they receive from their NDE to be on par with scripture, except because it was a personal experience, they would put it above scripture. And now these experiences would be driving their faith, rather than trustworthy knowledge from scripture. It seems to be a recipe for apostasy.
I can imagine other false beliefs, and from those false teachings, coming from NDEs, besides just reincarnation.If they believe in re-incarnation there is apostasy, but if they no longer expect to see the great white throne of judgment but instead in a life review then that is better than scriptural literalism.
If the evil spirits disguise themselves well, there is a whole host of them.I can imagine other false beliefs, and from those false teachings, coming from NDEs, besides just reincarnation.
Indeed. So is it possible Howard Storm encountered some of them, not in a true vision of hell, but bringing him a false vision of hell, one that would gain him fame and attention in the Christian Church in order for him to draw people away from the truth, even though he says it bright him back to faith? I don't know for sure, but some aspects of his story make me wonder.If the evil spirits disguise themselves well, there is a whole host of them.
Satan won't fight against himself. He would have stayed in Hell if it were up to Satan. But instead he was healed. And as a result of prayer honouring God. He then experienced benevolence and answers to questions. The assurance there would be no nuclear war, but possible times of suffering if there is no repentance. He returned to life and started to worship and attend church, went to Bible college, pastored and did mission trips and saw signs and wonders. Satan doesn't want that.Indeed. So is it possible Howard Storm encountered some of them, not in a true vision of hell, but bringing him a false vision of hell, one that would gain him fame and attention in the Christian Church in order for him to draw people away from the truth, even though he says it bright him back to faith? I don't know for sure, but some aspects of his story make me wonder.
Satan presents himself as an angel of light, which could be taken to mean he's revealing information, but his purpose is to actually hide truth. Whether Storm had a real conversion or not, if the NDE was not real and gives false information about hell, Satan benefits from Storm's fame.Satan won't fight against himself. He would have stayed in Hell if it were up to Satan. But instead he was healed. And as a result of prayer honouring God. He then experienced benevolence and answers to questions. The assurance there would be no nuclear war, but possible times of suffering if there is no repentance. He returned to life and started to worship and attend church, went to Bible college, pastored and did mission trips and saw signs and wonders. Satan doesn't want that.
I have heard of a lot of different accounts of Hell, not all simply Bible based.Satan presents himself as an angel of light, which could be taken to mean he's revealing information, but his purpose is to actually hide truth. Whether Storm had a real conversion or not, if the NDE was not real and gives false information about hell, Satan benefits from Storm's fame.
I haven't read Storm's full account, but I question the little bit I've read, like the part about demons tearing through his body with their claws. Nowhere in scruption is Satan pictured as the king of hell with demons tormenting the people there. Rather, Satan is first bound and cast into the pit, then later he is cast into the lake of fire, not as some kind of ruler, but as a defeated foe of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Can you point me to one off the biblical ones? We already discounted Howard Storm's account.I have heard of a lot of different accounts of Hell, not all simply Bible based.
Suicide NDEs Hell is sad and horrific, and in survivors, leads to repentance. Usually they lead to change for the better. Never heard of a good Hell experience. Some are quite Biblical.
Bill WieseCan you point me to one off the biblical ones? We already discounted Howard Storm's account.
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