Neanderthals

[Semper-Fi]

I guess that's the part that God breathes into each of us, to make us like Him.

I see you never looked up the meaning of the word nephesh

The bible does not say God breathes into
each of us, only Adam had that done.

The word “soul” is translated from Hebrew, the word nephesh.
The Hebrew nephesh merely means a breathing animal.

Animals are called nephesh in: Genesis 1:20, “moving creature”
(Hebrew, nephesh); Genesis 1:21, “great whales, and every living
creature” (Hebrew, nephesh); Genesis 1:24, “living creature”
(Hebrew, nephesh).

H5315
נֶפֶשׁ
nephesh
neh'-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.
Total KJV occurrences: 753

The translators in translating into the English language
used the English word “creature , but in Genesis 2:7 they
translated the same nephesh into the English word “soul”
—man became a “living soul” (nephesh).

The word nephesh literally means “life of animals,”
referring to physical life and not spirit.

Genesis 7:22 (KJV)
all in whose nostrils was the breath of life,
of all that was in the dry land, died.

 

[The Barbarian]

The bible does not say God breathes into
each of us, only Adam had that done.

Jerimiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart.

You have confused the souls of animals with the living soul that God gives each of us directly.

 

[The Barbarian]

So how can science debate something they cannot see [the spirit
in man] with their 5 senses and conclude our brains are the same.

You forgot again. Science can only consider the physical universe.

When chimpanzees can build a ship and fly to the moon, or millions of other things
that man can do compared to chimpanzees, then there would be a similar output.

Chimps do build tools and use them, often building them before they are needed. Again, you're talking about a difference in degree, not in kind.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Jerimiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart.

You have confused the souls of animals with the living soul that God gives each of us directly.

You need to pay attention better to my replies.
Please show where anybody besides Adam
was blown air into the lungs.

"The bible does not say God breathes into
each of us [the breath of life] only Adam had that done.'

Again The Hebrew nephesh merely means a breathing animal.

Please show how God breathed the breath of life into Jerimiah,
when he was still in the womb?

Ecclesiastes 11:5 (ESV) As you do not know the way the spirit comes
to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know
the work of God who makes everything.

We do not know how, but we do know when.
The spirit of man is given in the womb.
The breath of life is not given in the womb.

 

[sfs]

"Only 69 percent of the chimpanzee X chromosome was similar to human
and only 43 percent of the Y chromosome. Genome-wide, only 70% of
the chimpanzee DNA was similar to human under the most optimal
alignment conditions.

Tomkins has produced a series of these 'studies', each purporting to show that human and chimpanzee DNA is much more different than scientists say. Each has been trivially wrong. One used a buggy version of the alignment program (BLAST), one used ungapped alignments when it should have used gapped alignments, and one failed to do the most rudimentary filtering of the data to eliminate bad base calls. The only function of these studies is to mislead people who aren't experts.

 

[Semper-Fi]

You forgot again. Science can only consider the physical universe.

I did not forget anything, I did not get it wrong.
Like I said man can only observe with his 5 senses
and cannot even see the nonphysical.

Explain how [this debate] proves human minds and
animals are the same when they can't see, hear,
touch, taste, or smell "the Spirit in man".

 

[The Barbarian]

You forgot again. Science can only consider the physical universe.

I did not forget anything, I did not get it wrong.

But you did. As I've had to remind you more than once, science can only deal with the physical universe.

Explain how [this debate] proves human minds and
animals are the same

What function of the human mind can you show that does not occur in other animals?

 

[The Barbarian]

You need to pay attention better to my replies,
please show where anybody besides Adam
was blown air into the lungs.

"blown air into lungs" is your addition to scripture.

 

[Semper-Fi]

You forgot again.

You forgot to answer my question again.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Science can only consider the physical universe.

Exactly, so Science has not the whole picture, and their fountain is wrong.
In the beginning there was Spirit, not radiation being the first thing.

But you did. As I've had to remind you more than once, science can only deal with the physical universe.

And again, I have to remind you I know that.
Science cannot understand this spirit in man,
and they never will without using the bible.

We have faith we are after The God kind.

What function of the human mind can you show that does not occur in other animals?

Only the vast difference between the output.

 

[The Barbarian]

Exactly, so Science has not the whole picture, and their fountain is wrong.
In the beginning there was Spirit, not radiation being the first thing.

Remember, science can only address the physical. So it neither affirms nor denies the supernatural. It can't.
Scientists can, though. If that puzzles you, then your comments make some sense.

What function of the human mind can you show that does not occur in other animals?

Only the vast difference between the output.

A difference in degree, but not in kind. And that's why physical evidence will never give you the assurance you're looking for.

 

[Semper-Fi]

What function of the human mind can you show that does not occur in other animals?

Why do you keep asking this question when I answered several times?

A difference in degree, but not in kind.

Yep an elephant can paint masterpieces,
and a chimp can fly to the moon by itself.
Can any animal make a fire to keep warm?

And that's why physical evidence will never give you the assurance you're looking for.

That is why I do not follow or belief ever changing science,
that is why I have the Sure word of God to fill me in.

Like God told Job 38:4 (KJV)
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Declare, if thou hast understanding.

 

[The Barbarian]

Yep an elephant can paint masterpieces,

They can and do paint...

Again, a difference in degree, not in kind.

and a chimp can fly to the moon by itself.

A chimp can put a sentence together, build and use tools, and infer mental states in others. Again, a difference in degree, not a difference in kind.

 

[Semper-Fi]

"blown air into lungs" is your addition to scripture.

God blew the breath of life into Adam,
and he became an air breathing creature.

Later man and animals were killed except Noah and company.

"all in whose nostrils was the breath of life,
of all that was in the dry land, died.

Remove the air [breath of life] they die,
like when they are drowned in a flood.

You keep hanging onto a bad translation of the word nephesh.

 

[The Barbarian]

That is why I do not follow or belief ever changing science,
that is why I have the Sure word of God to fill me in.

It probably seems like cheating to creationists. As we learn more about the world, we revise theories to fit. Creationism is stuck with trying to revise reality to fit their beliefs.

As Galileo remarked, the Bible tells you how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go.

Different purposes, different uses. Don't mix them up.

 

[The Barbarian]

"blown air into lungs" is your addition to scripture.

God blew the breath of life into Adam,
and he became an air breathing creature.

Well, let's take a look...

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

"Air" and "lungs" are your additions to His word.

 

[Semper-Fi]

They can and do paint...

Yes I know that, they have been taught tricks for long time.
You can call it a masterpiece,
but can the elephant appreciate it?
Do they show it to other elephants to appreciate it?

 

[Semper-Fi]

You keep hanging onto a bad translation of the word nephesh.
The word soul [English] is from nephesh meaning air breathing creature.
This definition includes anything that requires air to live.

"Air" and "lungs" are your additions to His word.

Sorry not lungs but nostrils, my bad.
The breath of life is in [the nostrils].

"[ breathed into his nostrils the breath of life]."
"all in whose nostrils was the breath of life drowned."

breath
[breTH]

NOUN

1. the air taken into or expelled from the lungs:

nostrils

Air comes into the body through the nose. As it passes over the specialized cells
of the olfactory system, the brain recognizes and identifies smells. Hairs in the
nose clean the air of foreign particles. As air moves through the nasal passages,
it is warmed and humidified before it goes into the lungs.
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Breath [Air], is moved through the [nostrils] into the lungs.
Adam became an air breathing creature [nephesh].

God says life is in the blood, not in the breath of life,
but we do need oxygen rich blood.

For the life of the flesh is in the blood:

 

[Miles]

Human. Slightly different morphology, but they were people as far as I'm aware. There's evidence that they had language, culture, and could bear children with modern humans. To the extent that they still live on in our DNA, I don't necessarily view them as extinct. More like absorbed, which also happens with other people groups.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Human. Slightly different morphology, but they were people as far as I'm aware. There's evidence that they had language, culture, and could bear children with modern humans. To the extent that they still live on in our DNA, I don't necessarily view them as extinct. More like absorbed, which also happens with other people groups.

Technically extinct, in the same way that, for example, wild ox (the aurochs) DNA lives on in doomesticated cattle because the domesticated cattle was bread and domesticated from the wild ox, but there are no more living wild oxes and so is extinct. There are no more living neanderthals, but neanderthal DNA lives on in many living people today inter-breeding between neanderthals and modern humans produced viable offspring, and thus millions, billions even, of people living today have neanderthal ancestry. As a person of northern European descent, I almost certainly have neanderthal DNA in me.

-CrptoLutheran