Neanderthals, Dinosaurs?

[joshua 1 9]

It is proven by paleontologists, geologists, astronomers, taxonomists, archaeologists, and other biologists in a variety of speciaties.

The proof is all very independent, yet the proof from many varied area of study verifies itself. For example we spend a lot of time looking at fossils. Now in the last 50 years we have discovered DNA and the DNA evidence can verify what we have found and established through the study of fossils.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Jack, I was trying to get Yeshua to point to the number of years her suggested in Genesis 1. That's not to say it is spiritually impossible for the Creation to happen in 6 literal days, but trying to make him say that thousands of years are specifically mentioned in Genesis 1.

 

[JacksBratt]

"They" are wrong. "There was an evening, and then a morning . . ." does not specify a number of hours. I know many people want to think it is 24 hours just because they interpret the word "day" literally but the Bible clearly states there were no days before "the fourth day" because God created Earth before our sun, moon, and contellations.

There were days and nights... God created the sun and moon to measure them for us.

My car can be doing 60 MPH. Putting a speedometer in it doesn't make it go at that rate.. it just indicates that it already is.

Same with the sun and moon. A day was a day was a day and always was a day. The work six days rest one day was set up for man to follow. It is even reiterated in the bible and even by Christ.

 

[Lost4words]

What is a 'day' to God? 1,000 years? Million years?

'Day' in Genesis is written for 'mans' understanding. Can you imagine ancient man trying to get his head around a full explanation of Creation? God gave him a brief outlay of creation.

Science, given to us by God, has expounded on it.

 

[GodLovesCats]

The proof is all very independent, yet the proof from many varied area of study verifies itself. For example we spend a lot of time looking at fossils. Now in the last 50 years we have discovered DNA and the DNA evidence can verify what we have found and established through the study of fossils.

Yes, and just this year the word mammal was redefined to include our hammer, anvil, and stirrup in both ears and having a single jaw bone. Evolution studies proved this is a change in mammalian anatomy. So we know there had to be many years between the first humans and us because we do not have that space and an extra jaw bone below our ears.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Ya ya... there was nothing and it exploded into everything... OK.. Carry on.

Wrong nice try though. First we had a big crunch, then the universe began to expand. The Hasidim use the word contract. Neil DeGrasse Tyson talks about this in he latest book on Astrophysics. Before the big crunch we had infinity and solidarity. After the crunch we had a finite universe with a duality or dichotomy. Corruption and decay that would eventually end in the death of the universe. This is when time grabbed a hold of the Universe. Gerald Schroeder talks about this.

 

[GodLovesCats]

There were no Biblical days before the sun was created. All days must be astronomical (the Earth rotating on its axis in 23 hours, 56 minutes). This is why we should not assume the Creation happened in six days based on our definition of the word.

 

[ilovejcsog]

@Chrisitian4cats
"2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
This implies to me that there was something there

 

[GodLovesCats]

@Chrisitian4cats
"2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
This implies to me that there was something there

1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

That tells us Earth is not eternal. It had a physical beginning.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What is a 'day' to God? 1,000 years? Million years?

A day is nothing to God because He is outside of time. A day is a literal 24 hour that contains all time and all the ages (eras). I can best explain the dispensations when a day is equal to 1,000 years. Gerald Schroeder can best explain OEC Old Earth Creationism. For him each day is half the length of the day before. This is based on the perspective of from the beginning. We are looking back on time from a different perspective. Right now we are at the beginning of the 14 day. They all this the kingdom age. The church age is soon coming to an end. Also this is refereed to as the Holy Spirit dispensation or the Age of Grace. There are many names for the age we are currently in.

 

[Lost4words]

A day is nothing to God because He is outside of time. A day is a literal 24 hour that contains all time and all the ages (eras). I can best explain the dispensations when a day is equal to 1,000 years. Gerald Schroeder can best explain OEC Old Earth Creationism. For him each day is half the length of the day before. This is based on the perspective of from the beginning. We are looking back on time from a different perspective. Right now we are at the beginning of the 14 day. They all this the kingdom age. The church age is soon coming to an end. Also this is refereed to as the Holy Spirit dispensation or the Age of Grace. There are many names for the age we are currently in.

I dont see that myself sorry

 

[joshua 1 9]

I dont see that myself sorry

Do you agree with what your church teaches on this subject?

 

[JacksBratt]

Yet how are we to know to take everything in Genesis completely literal?

How else would you take:

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

I mean really... the only reason to not take it as it was written, being that it is such simple language and the work done is so easily within God's ability...is if someone else reads more into it than is meant... based on their own agenda...

There is absolutely no reason to take it as anything more than it says...

Do you believe Jesus walked on water?
Do you believe Jesus fed 5000+ people with two fish and five loaves?
Do you believe Jesus healed a girl from miles away?
Do you believe Jesus put a guards ear back on?
Do you believe Jesus died and rose again, ate meat, ascended to heaven in full view of his disciples?

Why do you believe these supernatural, miraculous events?

Why do you not believe the simple language of Genesis?

I'll tell you why...

If all the miracles of Jesus life were not what the eternal destiny and salvation of your soul depended on..... you would not believe them either.

The book of Genesis has been accused of being allegorical, parables, myths and stories... all because people, Christians, can agree to it and not lose their salvation.

If the bible said "believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and the six days of creation, and you will be saved".... Every Christian would be stating that the earth was created in 6 literal days....

 

[JacksBratt]

1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

That tells us Earth is not eternal. It had a physical beginning.

And... it will have a physical end.. Nobody said that the earth was eternal. Christ will destroy this earth and heaven.. and make a new heaven and a new earth.

 

[joshua 1 9]

(the Earth rotating on its axis in 23 hours, 56 minutes).

The actual value is 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds. Only there is some variation because the planets effect themselves different at different stages of their rotation around the sun. We use an atomic clock because it is more accurate. Then they adjust the clock based on the solar clock. They have had to make an adjustment 3 times in the last year of one second. Two steps forward, one step back.

 

[charsan]

How else would you take:

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

I mean really... the only reason to not take it as it was written, being that it is such simple language and the work done is so easily within God's ability...is if someone else reads more into it than is meant... based on their own agenda...

There is absolutely no reason to take it as anything more than it says...

Do you believe Jesus walked on water?
Do you believe Jesus fed 5000+ people with two fish and five loaves?
Do you believe Jesus healed a girl from miles away?
Do you believe Jesus put a guards ear back on?
Do you believe Jesus died and rose again, ate meat, ascended to heaven in full view of his disciples?

Why do you believe these supernatural, miraculous events?

Why do you not believe the simple language of Genesis?

I'll tell you why...

If all the miracles of Jesus life were not what the eternal destiny and salvation of your soul depended on..... you would not believe them either.

The book of Genesis has been accused of being allegorical, parables, myths and stories... all because people, Christians, can agree to it and not lose their salvation.

If the bible said "believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and the six days of creation, and you will be saved".... Every Christian would be stating that the earth was created in 6 literal days....

Actually it was man who decided to take it literally, does the original language lend itself to the literal? Does the culture lend itself to a literal understanding? You see people always say that what your saying but they are not the same thing there was evidence for Christ there was no evidence for Creation and American evangelicals can be wrong on how to look at Genesis since they are looking only to the English version and ignoring the culture, context, an how understanding was back then.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Every Christian would be stating that the earth was created in 6 literal days....

The earth was created in 6 literal days. Using elements that took 6 billion years to create.

 

[ilovejcsog]

Our timeline is not necessarily Gods timeline. i don't remember whether this is biblical or not but somewhere I remember this: A day is a thousands years to God.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Yes, and just this year the word mammal was redefined to include our hammer, anvil, and stirrup in both ears and having a single jaw bone.

Yes the Hebrew Letter Peh is shaped like an ear, even though it represent the mouth or speech. We are told in Genesis that "God said", He spoke creation into being. Man has been given the ability to understand how the world was created through speech. This is a letter inside of a letter.

 

[joshua 1 9]

A day is a thousands years to God.

Yes Moses tells us this in Psalms and Peter talks about this also.