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Featured Neanderthals, Dinosaurs?

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by ilovejcsog, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. ChristianForCats

    ChristianForCats God Seeker

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    You don't need to. Everyone who knows what dinosaurs were also knows they died millions of years prior to the existence of humans. That is an elementary school lesson.
     
  2. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Soli Deo Gloria

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    You do know that you shouldn't believe everything they teach you in public school?

    Let me guess, you also believe that all life on earth originated from a single cell? Oh, and that came from a random meteor from space? Do all animals, including humans, have a common ancestor? You want to talk about what "everyone knows," most people believe in human evolution, do you believe that? Most people believe in a big bang, do you believe that?
     
  3. ChristianForCats

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    You do know that the Bible is not meant to be interpreted ilterally, right?

    There is only one possible reason to deny the obvious fact that dinosaurs lived millions of years before Adam did: just wanting to argue with the truth tellers.
     
  4. Jonaitis

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    In biblical hermeneutics, you ought to understand each book in its respective genre. If it is poetry, you're not suppose to read it as historical. Obviously, the book of Genesis is a historical account of the beginning. You're not suppose to read it as apocalyptic literature, filled with loads of symbolism and metaphors. It states things plainly, as events that occurred.

    It is interesting how you will believe that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago, but you haven't answered my question whether or not you believe in human evolution. Do you pick and choose what modern science says about "facts"? Why not believe all that they say?
     
  5. His student

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    You'll get a lot of answers to the contrary. But I take it all quite literally. I see no "settled science" reason not to.

    As I read the scriptures the only thing we know of before the Genesis account relates to outside of this universe - i.e in Heaven. E.g. Satan and his fall and such.

    The dinosaurs were contemporaries with man and were were apparently killed in the flood.

    The neanderthals were just men as we are - only less advanced culturally.

    To paraphrase Forrest Gump:

    "I'm not a real smart man. But I do have the mind of Christ."
     
  6. ChristianForCats

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    Here is the problem wiht people citing Genesis 1 to deny dinosaurs existed:

    The Sixth Day: Creatures on Land

    34 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, according to their kinds."

    What were dinosaurs? Wild animals that moved along the ground, of course! The verse covers all animals that walked on Earth, so there is no need to specifically mention giant land reptiles to prove they existed.

    I don't believe, but know for a fact, humans evolved. That is not the same as Neanderthals dying out, but it is undeniable. Paleontologists are able to compare human fossils from different millenia and discovered differences in their skeletons, including a second jaw bone converting into three middle ear bones.
     
  7. ChristianForCats

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    His student, did you get your information about dinosaurs living with humans from a peer-reviewed study article written by a reptilian paleontologist? If not, explain why you would even think it is possible for all of the scientists who have studied them to be wrong.
     
  8. twin.spin

    twin.spin Trust the LORD and not on your own understanding

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    Q: Was there anything?
    A: Yes. Only God existed prior to Genesis

    Q: Were there Dinosaurs?
    A: Yes. Jesus created all things (Colossians_1:16, Rev 4:11, Rev 10:6)

    Q: Were there Neanderthals?
    A: No. Humanity has always been as we recognize it now.
     
  9. Hank77

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    Here's an interesting interactive map of locations.
    PBDB Navigator
     
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  10. ChristianForCats

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    This could not be further from the truth. Neanderthals lived before and with homo sapiens. Our species is alone now because Neanderthals married homo sapiens in Africa and Europe and and lacked the ability to populate Asia and the Western Hemisphere. I learned all this at the Smithsonian Natural History Museum. BTW Neanderthals were not the first human species. Far from it: the first humans were more like gorillas.
     
  11. ilovejcsog

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    So then it appears that most believe there were neanderthal and dinosaurs before Genesis. Were they created by God? Why do you think he started with them and then there was such a long separation before he created us, perfect man?:)
    The only idea that makes no sense to me it that they were in Genesis. Dinosaurs and humans? Nope. JMHO
     
  12. ilovejcsog

    ilovejcsog The way....

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  13. Dropout_Theologian

    Dropout_Theologian Not an ant in God's glorious library.

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    I thought someone would post on dinosaurs today, hmm. Check out Ken Ham's preaching on dinosaurs. He outlines different periods as pertains to them. I think that's his name. Debated Bill Nye.
     
  14. ilovejcsog

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    What's your views on this topic?
     
  15. Norbert L

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    Which heaven and Earth was created in Genesis? Job 38:4 asks "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding." Then Job 38:7 tells us that the angelic realm was already present at the time, "the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy". So at the very least there was some kind of heavenly world already there prior to the six days of creation.

    The gap theory has the best rational explanation about creation. God had already spent a lot of time doing stuff on Earth prior to His decision to create mankind in His image.
     
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    Prehistoric Cave Art Depicting Humans Hunting Dinosaurs Discovered in Kuwait

    The big bang-evolutionary model of the earth fundamentally contradicts Christianity. It isn't simply a matter of fossils, it's a matter of philosophy. The former states that through many years of death, modern life arose. The latter states that through modern life, many years of death arose.

    That is an irreconcilable difference.
     
  17. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things" Supporter

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    An unknown amount of time passed while Adam and Eve were in the Garden, where we can guess they had Life (not yet entering the mortal life we know) -- there with the Tree of Life in the Garden, where the eternal One walked there with them.

    While they were there in a place that may not have had time even, Earth outside the Garden continued we can guess according to the natural order, with normal time, of an unknown duration.

    Sometimes you hear the number calculated by genealogy of years from after Adam and Eve left the Garden and entered the ordinary world, and of course, that time duration doesn't include the unknown time while they were in the Garden (additionally that calculation won't include the unknown time during Gen 1:1, when God created the heavens -- the Universe -- and the nascent (beginning) Earth) -- all before the moment of Gen 1:2).

    There are a lot of mere details about creation scripture doesn't address because we are to have faith, not mere proof.

    If scripture gave definite time duration answers, and then we eventually found evidence to confirm the time duration, like the age of Earth, then faith would be preempted, precluded, prevented -- because faith is to believe without seeing, without proof.

    Scripture isn't about trivial things like geology and such....
     
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  18. Halbhh

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    So, about those not really important, but still interesting details of creation God chose not to give in scripture, and on which many speculate....

    While one could speculate that Neanderthals might have still been around when Cain left his family and traveled away to the land of Nod (Genesis 4) and took a wife there it would seem from those people (people we could expect to exist after day 6 of Genesis chapter 1) -- there being Neanderthals around then would not fit the evidence in the ancient bone discoveries. (instead the Neanderthals seemingly had interbred some with modern humans and been driven extinct) Those people (if there were, as day 6 seems to suggest) already living in the land of Nod were modern humans like us, and the Neanderthals were already gone, just like archaeological discoveries suggest (though the time estimates of when the Neanderthals were driven to extinction change over and over we notice, they still remain far in the past). Like the dinosaurs, which were gone long before the Neanderthals. Of course this leads to questions about the vision given in Genesis chapter 1, about whether there were time gaps between the days (representative days seen in the vision) or the days were instead ages, stylized days (the vision in that case instead being more like most visions, an essentially true representation of the real instead of a video recording of the real).
     
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  19. AlexDofTX

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    Yes, God.

    Yes, 6th day of Creation.

    There were people in the Neander valley of Germany where their remains were found. Creation science believes they were people with severe arthritis.
     
  20. Halbhh

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    Anyone should be sure to put their faith not in theories people invent about Genesis 1 through 3, but instead in Christ Jesus -- your only hope and the only basis of hope and salvation you can have -- and as He said, to build your house of faith on the rock of hearing and doing as He said (not as people speculate about Genesis, etc.) -- Matthew 7:24-27.

    If you do, you won't worry much about speculation A or speculation B, or C, D, E...G...Z29...people have invented about Genesis chapters 1 through 3.
     
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