Neanderthals and other archaic humans

[Skye1300]

According to who?

Long Story Short
The short answer is that mules have chromosomes that do not match up, so they cannot make sperms or eggs. Thus, they are sterile and cannot produce offspring.

Looking Closer
More specifically, a mule has 32 horse chromosomes and 31 donkey chromosomes. A total of 63 chromosomes. Normally, an organism would have two copies of one chromosome, one from the mother and the other from the father. However, for mules, they will get two different sets of chromosomes since the mother is a horse, and the father is a donkey. These genes will not exactly be matched sets, but they are still relatively similar (enough to produce the mule offspring in the first place). To reproduce, a process called meiosis will happen, in order to get one copy of each chromosome into the sperm or egg. During this process, the chromosomes will need to “match up” to another. Unfortunately, the donkey and horse chromosome are not similar enough to pair. Additionally, the mule will also have an extra unmatched horse chromosome, so sperm or eggs are unable to be made.

 

[Skye1300]

Neanderthals and humans would have to have the same number of chromosomes which would make them human, or else their offspring would have been sterile and would have died out. That would make us not come from neanderthals. Unless neanderthals were humans.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Neanderthals and humans would have to have the same number of chromosomes which would make them human, or else their offspring would have been sterile and would have died out. That would make us not come from neanderthals. Unless neanderthals were humans.

Neanderthals were humans. That is a scientifically proven fact. Homo sapiens are the last remaining of all human species in the same way Asian and African elephants are the last remaining elephant species. I learned this stuff at the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C., which has an exhibit about the biological evolution of humans from Lucy the chimpanzee to us.

 

[trophy33]

From a creationist perspective (I am NOT a creationist) did these species have immortal souls?

Its not soul that is immortal, but the spirit.

 

[RileyG]

According to who?

science

 

[RileyG]

Its not soul that is immortal, but the spirit.

Soul and spirit are generally considered the same thing in most theologies.

 

[trophy33]

Soul and spirit are generally considered the same thing in most theologies.

That would be really surprising, considering the fact that Bible separates them into two different things:

May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 The 5:23

There is also nowhere in the Bible said that spirit dies or can be destroyed. Its said frequently about soul, though.

 

[coffee4u]

From a creationist perspective (I am NOT a creationist) did these species have immortal souls? Modern homo- sapiens have archaic human DNA according to modern science. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Will there be any Neanderthals in heaven? (or hell)?

I'm not going to lie. I've thought about this quite often.

From a creation perspective there is no such thing as neanderthals as an evolutionist thinks of them. There are people and people groups. Neanderthals were simply a race of people that is no longer with us. Maybe they had a condition that made them look the way they did, which also meant they died out or maybe how they looked was simply another variation of normal. If all we had today was one race perhaps because humans had killed each other off enough to the point of wiping out the other two races, perhaps we might think the skulls of other races were somehow not normal people either.

 

[coffee4u]

Soul and spirit are generally considered the same thing in most theologies.

They are separate.
Hebrews 4:12
“For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart”

I think of the soul as being more the mind and personality of a person.

The spirit is that part that can commune with God.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
Once our spirit has found and connected with God or we are born again, the spirit should then lead ahead of the soul/mind sometimes called the heart. The spirit hates sin, but often our mind over rules our spirit. Sin occurs when the mind is in charge rather than the spirit.
Ephesians 3:16-17
16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.
We are 3 because God is 3.

 

[RileyG]

From a creation perspective there is no such thing as neanderthals as an evolutionist thinks of them. There are people and people groups. Neanderthals were simply a race of people that is no longer with us. Maybe they had a condition that made them look the way they did, which also meant they died out or maybe how they looked was simply another variation of normal. If all we had today was one race perhaps because humans had killed each other off enough to the point of wiping out the other two races, perhaps we might think the skulls of other races were somehow not normal people either.

Thanks for your response.

 

[RileyG]

They are separate.
Hebrews 4:12
“For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart”

I think of the soul as being more the mind and personality of a person.

The spirit is that part that can commune with God.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
Once our spirit has found and connected with God or we are born again, the spirit should then lead ahead of the soul/mind sometimes called the heart. The spirit hates sin, but often our mind over rules our spirit. Sin occurs when the mind is in charge rather than the spirit.
Ephesians 3:16-17
16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.
We are 3 because God is 3.

Thanks for the differentiation.

 

[The Barbarian]

From a creationist perspective (I am NOT a creationist) did these species have immortal souls? Modern homo- sapiens have archaic human DNA according to modern science. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Will there be any Neanderthals in heaven? (or hell)?

I'm not going to lie. I've thought about this quite often.

God chose not to say the species of the first two humans who got immortal souls. If it was H. erectus, would that offend you? Why would it matter? Genetically, Neanderthals are a subsecies of human, who were quite capable of interbreeding with anatomically modern humans. Most of us carry some of their genes. I don't doubt that they had immortal souls and yes, I think heaven will have them.

However, it is not genetics but God's direct action that gives an immortal soul, so we can't know for sure.

 

[Wilderness Cry]

It might just explain one or both of two things. Cain found a wife in the land of Nod. Before the flood all flesh was corrupt.

 

[RileyG]

It might just explain one or both of two things. Cain found a wife in the land of Nod. Before the flood all flesh was corrupt.

What do you mean all flesh was corrupt?

 

[1000 generations]

Creationism - Everything was created in 6 literal days. The creation was in 4004 BC. That what my preacher says. Well. we'll just have to agree to disagree as we both believe God created the heavens and the earth. Although I haven't talked to him about it (and I won't) I don't want to spend hours discussing it.
In the beginning (time) God (force) created (action) the heavens (space) and the earth (matter) which are the building blocks of physics. I enjoyed the movie THE GENESIS CODE and I like science that discovers the nuances of creation.

Now here is where I disagree with Darwinianism. I believe in an evolution that quickly changes. Magnetic reversals and/or excursions can wipe out species very quickly and others arise. Jumping ahead to around 40,000 yrs ago the neanderthals went extinct and modern man arrived. Now, I thought of Duet 7:9 which in part reads "... the faithful God, who keeps covenant and mercy with those that love him and keep his commandments to a thousnand generations." Moses wrote the pentateuch and I believe that is the generation to be used in numbering. 40 years the Israelites wandered in the Sanai. Joshua took the next generation across the Jordan into the promised land. The covenant that God is talking about starts with Adam and ends with the second coming of Jesus who then delivers his flock, his kingdom to God the Father.

40 x 1000 generation is 40,000 yrs. Modern man is the significant pinnacle of his creation. Creationism is part of Dispensationalism. Dispensationalism says basically Christ is not King now but will be after the tribulation, for a thousand years. That there will be a third temple and the Church will be raptured. Not in that order, just points of dispensationalism. We are the Temple, we will go through tribulation according to Jesus, and after the final war of good and evil we will be raised in the resurrection, the one and only resurrection at the second coming.

There's alot of science in the Bible and alot spiritual lessons in the Bible. Christ became the king of the curse. Three days later he was the King of Kings. Not some future king in a 1000 yr reign. The reign started at his ressurrection and is ongoing. The imprisonment of Satan was/is for 1000 yr also. Symbolic yrs. 1000 generations not symbolic. The opposite of dispensationalism.