StAnselm said:
If by this you mean a state of sinlessness this side of heaven, that constitutes a very dangerous teaching, IMHO.
This is not the right forum to debate the point, so I will restrict my comments to one verse, 1 John 1:8 - "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."
Through the Blood of Jesus and the gifts of repentance and faith in Him , our past sins are blotted out .
The context of 1st John 1:8-10 , is as Paul said , "
All have sinned and come short of the glory of God ". <---> Romans 3:23
In Essence John is saying , If any think they have no need of Christ's forgiveness and deliverance ... they are deceived and alienated from the truth .
He is not saying , we should expect to remain sinners , because sin is inevitable , and unavoidable .
Else , why would he state :
1: Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2: Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3: And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4: Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5: And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6: Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7: Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10: In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11: For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12: Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. <-----> 1st John Ch 3
Perhaps , this isn't the place for debate ; but I urge you all to consider that the critical factor here is not what I mean by these things ; but what does the Spirit which inspired them mean , and if we can't fathom the Spirit's meaning , quite frankly ... we're lost ; yet we don't necessarily have to stay that way , unless we refuse to perceive and acknowledge the truth that we are still nothing significant ; then as John said , " we deceive ourselves " .
For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. <-----> Galatians 6:3+4
I know I am still very much " nothing " , yet because I can ackowledge that , I have steadfast hope that I am not in Satan's bounds of over inflated self - imagery ; therefore , the expectation of overcoming , even as Jesus overcame , is very real to me ; but it cannot be so with those of you who are already " something " , because now your mind is towards defending what you've already claimed to represent , instead of patiently seeking The Lord for the grace to truly overcome . ( This is the snare of pride .)
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. <-----> Revelation 3:21
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. <-----> Luke 8:15
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. <-----> Romans 6:1-4
Hear what The Holy Spirit says by these things .
I am only a human being , as everyone else .
wm